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Old June 12 2013, 12:29 AM   #16
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Re: OMG, Karen. You can't just ask people why they're white!

Kazon lacked the proper medical technology for her to fully restore herself back to Cardassian. I guess skin pallor remained the altered Bajoran.
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Old June 12 2013, 01:02 AM   #17
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The blue spoon has appeared on every Cardassian female except Seska, Ziyal, Asha and Jil Orra. I would guess that it is a secondary sex characteristic, rather than just makeup. If it were makeup some would choose not to wear it, or there would be other spoonshadow colors to choose from.
Except this is a universe where every member of a given species generally has the same hairstyle and fashion sense.
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Old June 12 2013, 01:21 AM   #18
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The blue spoon has appeared on every Cardassian female except Seska, Ziyal, Asha and Jil Orra.
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If it were makeup some would choose not to wear it
...why can't those four you mentioned be the outliers who choose not to wear the makeup?
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Old June 12 2013, 01:30 AM   #19
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Re: OMG, Karen. You can't just ask people why they're white!

Ziyal is kind of dorky, I could see her not wearing it. Even though she is an artist she's not artistic in her clothing or manner.
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Old June 12 2013, 01:43 AM   #20
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The blue spoon has appeared on every Cardassian female except Seska, Ziyal, Asha and Jil Orra.
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If it were makeup some would choose not to wear it
...why can't those four you mentioned be the outliers who choose not to wear the makeup?
Two of them were children, one was half Bajoran, and one was surgically altered. Every normal, adult, 100% Cardassian woman has had the blue spoon. That's why I'm guessing it's probably natural.
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Old June 12 2013, 01:46 AM   #21
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Re: OMG, Karen. You can't just ask people why they're white!

There were at least three Ziyals. Were they all dorky.

The daughter of Space Hitler was dating a serial killer by the end.

The (primary) actress thought that she was playing a Disney Princess.

Disconnected from reality much?

Oh?

Sorry.

Disconnected from fiction much?
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Old June 12 2013, 01:58 AM   #22
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I never liked Ziyal. Sure I feel sorry for her bad childhood but she's just annoyingly precious. And the Garak thing was awful. She's looking for a father figure that works better than her real one and he's looking for innocence that will absolve him. If something so precious and innocent can love him, he must be okay.

After her childhood and considering her reception in life she should have been a wild little shit.
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Old June 12 2013, 02:03 AM   #23
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I never liked Ziyal. Sure I feel sorry for her bad childhood but she's just annoyingly precious. And the Garak thing was awful. She's looking for a father figure that works better than her real one and he's looking for innocence that will absolve him. If something so precious and innocent can love him, he must be okay.

After her childhood and considering her reception in life she should have been a wild little shit.
Ziyal deserved better than a disruptor blast to the chest, that's for sure. I never liked her relationship with Garak. It made him look like a dirty old man, and it made her look like a gullible schoolgirl. But she was an interesting character and represented hope for a better future between Bajor and Cardassia. It's a shame she didn't survive the war. She would have been an excellent person to lead relief efforts on Cardassia after it was over.

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Old June 12 2013, 02:10 AM   #24
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Her death was used well, very gutsy thing to do. It was a helluva lot better than Jadzia's death.
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Old June 12 2013, 02:14 AM   #25
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I could have sworn I'd seen a Cardie or two that was pinkish, like almost a Silly Putty color. Could be wrong.
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Old June 12 2013, 02:15 AM   #26
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Ziyal deserved better than a disruptor blast to the chest, that's for sure.
There is a shortage of perfect breasts in this world, it would be a pity to d... Oh? Never mind, there are plenty of mediocre breasts, blast away.
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Old June 12 2013, 02:31 AM   #27
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Her death was used well, very gutsy thing to do. It was a helluva lot better than Jadzia's death.
Jadzia should have died in "Change of Heart." It would have opened up a lot of possibilities for the rest of the sixth season and for the seventh season, too. Also, it would have provided extra incentive for Sisko in convincing the Romulans to enter the war.

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Old June 12 2013, 02:37 AM   #28
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Her death was used well, very gutsy thing to do. It was a helluva lot better than Jadzia's death.
Jadzia should have died in "Change of Heart." It would have opened up a lot of possibilities for the rest of the sixth season and for the seventh season, too. Also, it would have provided extra incentive for Sisko in convincing the Romulans to enter the war.

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AND it would have been dramatic and tragic and made everyone cry.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:09 AM   #29
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I could have sworn I'd seen a Cardie or two that was pinkish, like almost a Silly Putty color. Could be wrong.
All the Cardassians we saw in The Wounded have a more human skin tone.

...Or at least appear to. The episode has terrible color quality right now (one of the very yellow episodes) but we'll know for sure soon when season 4 comes out on Blu-ray.
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Old June 12 2013, 08:52 AM   #30
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Seska was surgically altered to appear Bajoran. The first time we saw her after her defection, she said she was "in the process of restoring [her] Cardassian physiology," and her makeup was sort of an intermediate stage between Bajoran and Cardassian appearances, with subtler ridges and pinker skin than the Cardassian norm. Apparently the "process" never got much further than that, since she retained that in-between look for the rest of her time on the series.
I guess that she didn't bring along enough of the Cardassian Restore Brew for the journey. Therefore the process didn't get any further.

But despite that, she did find love. Culluh became the love of her life. Ah, they were such a beautiful couple!
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