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Old June 13 2013, 12:21 PM   #46
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Re: Why was the Enterprise.. [Spoilers]

I didnt have a problem with the Enterprise underwater, I was more concerned about the tall drop into the ocean and the swim to the Enterprise... sturdy fellas in the 23rd Century!

Werent Aqua shuttles featured in an episode of TAS? I actually like to think that the Shuttle could be rigged to run for a short time underwater just like the Puddle Jumpers in Stargate Atlantis.
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Old June 13 2013, 12:46 PM   #47
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Well, I like the Star Fleet Universe: Prime Directive RPG and I'm not like that.
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Old June 15 2013, 04:01 PM   #48
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Or if you assume Sulu knows what he's talking about and/or isn't just eyeballing the distance without really measuring it.

E.g. "He just jumped, like, thirty meters!"
They were using sensors to locate him, not eyeballed guesstimates.
Were they using sensors to measure -- down to the centimeter -- the exact distance of his jump?

Better question: if you were tracking Khan though, say, the optics pod of a Predator drone, would you even be able to tell with any accuracy how far that jump really was?
If we're expected to believe the Narada was scanned to the degree that technology advanced by leaps and bounds, then I'm sure measuring (and displaying) the position of a person they're tracking is quite doable.
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Old June 15 2013, 11:28 PM   #49
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I read that the jump by Kirk and McCoy would have severely injured them or killed them. They would have either landed into the rocks, or they would jumped into the equivalent of a liquid concrete. That is real world realism.
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Old June 15 2013, 11:51 PM   #50
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They were using sensors to locate him, not eyeballed guesstimates.
Were they using sensors to measure -- down to the centimeter -- the exact distance of his jump?

Better question: if you were tracking Khan though, say, the optics pod of a Predator drone, would you even be able to tell with any accuracy how far that jump really was?
If we're expected to believe the Narada was scanned to the degree that technology advanced by leaps and bounds...
Considering they didn't actually build their own Narada, this point is irrelevant. Do you need to know down to the exact meter how big the Narada is to know that it's freaking huge?

I'm sure measuring (and displaying) the position of a person they're tracking is quite doable.
Sure. But that's a far cry from measuring the exact distance of his jump. If they could track Khan that accurately they would have been able to beam him up without Spock having to chase him across the city.
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Old June 16 2013, 01:38 AM   #51
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I read that the jump by Kirk and McCoy would have severely injured them or killed them. They would have either landed into the rocks, or they would jumped into the equivalent of a liquid concrete. That is real world realism.
Do we know for sure gravity on Nibiru equals force enough to make a fall from that height lethal?

Memory Alpha says Nibiru is class M (though I don't recall that being stated in the film,?) One aspect of a class M planet though...

The gravity on these worlds was Earth normal. The gravity might be slightly less or slightly more. (TOS: "The Cage"; TAS: "The Eye of the Beholder")
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Class_M
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Old June 16 2013, 07:53 AM   #52
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I read that the jump by Kirk and McCoy would have severely injured them or killed them. They would have either landed into the rocks, or they would jumped into the equivalent of a liquid concrete. That is real world realism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uHkyMh9FW4
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Old June 17 2013, 12:07 AM   #53
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Memory Alpha says Nibiru is class M (though I don't recall that being stated in the film,?)
I'm pretty sure that was in the caption giving the planet's name.
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Old June 17 2013, 12:49 AM   #54
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Memory Alpha says Nibiru is class M (though I don't recall that being stated in the film,?)
I'm pretty sure that was in the caption giving the planet's name.
Ah yes, of course. Thank you.
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Old June 17 2013, 03:22 AM   #55
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Yeah, the worst part is the way it flew through the air in the same way it would in space, it should have had massive amounts of thrust coming from the thrusters with big plumes of smoke and it should have gone up more vertically aiming itself up to space as it goes. I know we saw voyager fly through San Francisco bay in the same way, but that's a much smaller ship (apparently) and a few hundred years in the future.
You're applying the laws of physics to a machine designed to break the laws of physics.
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Old June 22 2013, 08:44 PM   #56
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At least we know how it lifted off in the original, and what that would have looked like.
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