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View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 28 11.16%
A 53 21.12%
A- 46 18.33%
B+ 25 9.96%
B 27 10.76%
B- 11 4.38%
C+ 13 5.18%
C 12 4.78%
C- 9 3.59%
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D 10 3.98%
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Old November 13 2013, 06:29 PM   #1291
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Despite how much I like Man of Steel I still think my favourite Superman moment is from Superman Returns when he rescues the space shuttle and plane from crashing. The first thing I thought of when I saw that was the space plane scene from John Byrne's Man of Steel mini-series.
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Old November 13 2013, 06:29 PM   #1292
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Personally, I thought the best damn scene in Man of Steel was when he caught that soldier and asked if he was ok and that was in the damn trailer.
I liked when he saved the oil workers.
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Old November 13 2013, 06:51 PM   #1293
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I do think the end with Superman destroying the UAV, Clark talking with Martha and then getting his job at the Daily Planet, was all meant to take place at least a couple of months after the battle in Metropolis. The area around the Daily Planet building was just so devastated that I can't imagine everyone being back at work and joking around with each other just a few days later. But the filmmakers could have done a better job of showing us the passage of time. We didn't need a montage of Superman helping to clean up Metropolis, but doing something to make the timeline more clear probably would have cut down on a lot of the confusion/criticism the ending generated.
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Old November 13 2013, 07:10 PM   #1294
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I like Superman, I think the story can work on cinmea again and maybe needs to be modernized but this was the wrong way to do the movie
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Old November 13 2013, 07:20 PM   #1295
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Despite how much I like Man of Steel I still think my favourite Superman moment is from Superman Returns when he rescues the space shuttle and plane from crashing. The first thing I thought of when I saw that was the space plane scene from John Byrne's Man of Steel mini-series.
I agree. I've DVR'd it and the kids and I have watched it many times.

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Personally, I thought the best damn scene in Man of Steel was when he caught that soldier and asked if he was ok and that was in the damn trailer.
I liked when he saved the oil workers.
I enjoyed that as well, but he wasn't in the suit and it lacked that for a Superman moment for me.
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Old November 13 2013, 07:26 PM   #1296
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Just a simple establishing shot of the city from above, showing construction crews working on buildings or cleaning up debris, would have been enough afterward. No need for a montage or anything.

As for the Avengers comparison, I think what Snyder was getting at was that MOS was trying to take the alien attack a lot more seriously than the one in Avengers, and not give you the sense afterwards that somehow magically only a handful of people ever died throughout the whole thing.

The feeling at the end (at least before the jump ahead in time) is much more somber and heavy, as you would expect it to be. Not fun and jokey with everyone going out for shawarma afterwards.
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Old November 13 2013, 07:50 PM   #1297
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When I think of the deleted scenes from Avengers - the ones where the dead civilians and the killing of civilians were shown - that comparison...well. The shawarma scene had the Avengers all looking dead-tired at that dinner table for reasons.
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Old November 13 2013, 08:31 PM   #1298
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When I think of the deleted scenes from Avengers - the ones where the dead civilians and the killing of civilians were shown - that comparison...well. The shawarma scene had the Avengers all looking dead-tired at that dinner table for reasons.
Heck, originally, the film was supposed to start with the aftermath of the battle in New York, with officials wanting to see Nick Fury's head roll. Just like in the real world, the Avengers weren't considered heroes, they were blamed for the destruction. And the deleted scenes show a lot of the civilian's perspectives of the battle. So from Joss Whedon's point of view, it was ALL about the disaster and how the world dealt with it. So Snyder's remark is pretty much ill-informed.
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Old November 13 2013, 08:43 PM   #1299
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Personally, I thought the best damn scene in Man of Steel was when he caught that soldier and asked if he was ok and that was in the damn trailer.
I liked when he saved the oil workers.
I enjoyed that as well, but he wasn't in the suit and it lacked that for a Superman moment for me.
I actually liked that he wasn't in the suit. Aside from Smallville, we've really never gotten to seen Clark do his thing before he became Superman. I always liked the idea that he was a world traveller helping people out wherever he was and was happy to see that aspect of his life on screen.
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Old November 13 2013, 10:31 PM   #1300
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Heck, originally, the film was supposed to start with the aftermath of the battle in New York, with officials wanting to see Nick Fury's head roll. Just like in the real world, the Avengers weren't considered heroes, they were blamed for the destruction. And the deleted scenes show a lot of the civilian's perspectives of the battle. So from Joss Whedon's point of view, it was ALL about the disaster and how the world dealt with it. So Snyder's remark is pretty much ill-informed.
Well sure, maybe they had all that cool and interesting stuff in the deleted scenes. But I'm talking about the theatrical release that everyone actually saw.
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Old November 13 2013, 11:55 PM   #1301
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...and if a building collapsed in The Avengers, I don't recall it.

*pulls out Avengers Blu-Ray (as if I needed an excuse...)*

At 2:01:16, right inbetween Widow and Selvig discovering Loki's scepter and Stark asking J.A.R.V.I.S. if he is familiar with the tale of Jonah. You see a Leviathan plow through a building while chasing Thor and you see the building begin to collapse, but the scene cuts away before it collapses completely.
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Old November 14 2013, 01:01 AM   #1302
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Surely the moment the alien ship appeared approaching Metropolis everybody started evacuating the buildings. I watched it again last night and I didn't see signs of anyone IN the buildings. When Supes and Zod crash through them they're empty. I *did* see streets full of cars though.
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Old November 14 2013, 01:14 AM   #1303
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The movie was fine, but

Snyder's addressed the criticism before, claiming the implied massive casualties of the Metropolis sequence were meant to give the film a "mythological" feel, and to give American audiences a sense of the power of the myths of ancient Greece, which were used to "answer unanswerable questions about death and violence."
that's just a pile of bullshit.



When the topic came up at the fan event, though, he took a different path, first offering his own estimate of the Metropolis body count, and then claiming that another superhero hit -- Joss Whedon's The Avengers -- was less sensitive about its city-destroying violence than Man of Steel.
“Probably 5,000 people [(died from the Metropolis attack]. For me, that was part of it. No, there’s real consequences … Not to compare, but if you look at ‘The Avengers,’ they trash the city and nobody thinks about how many people are dying.” Snyder said. "There’s a sadness at the end of the movie ['Man of Steel']. That’s a thing that weighs on Superman.”
That's an even bigger pile of bullshit. First, Man of Steel ends in the Daily Planet and everyone acts like nothing at all happened. Second, Avengers was a lot more concerned with the people in comparison. Almost everyone of the Avengers is shown to help innocent bystanders, and at the end of it all, we see a montage of interviews with New Yorkers. And New York isn't even trashed as much as Metropolis either.
I enjoyed the movie quite a bit, but yeah, he's full of crap there. The end of Avengers definitely dealt with the aftermath of it's battle a lot better than Man of Steel.
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Old November 14 2013, 04:31 AM   #1304
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Interesting bit of trivia: I'm watching the DVD as I type this, and with a bit of freeze-framing caught the latitude and longitude for their version of Metropolis.

LAT: +37.1237 LONG: -76.3196

Google Earth puts it between Virginia Beach and Newport News. So, a little ways south of the position Snyder stated in news reports in Chesapeake Bay.

And the footage shows no time for evacuation orders to go out at all when Zod gave the "go" order.
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For the southern hemisphere: -77.0000 + 37.8300

Subject to correction, obviously.
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