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A+ 28 11.16%
A 53 21.12%
A- 46 18.33%
B+ 25 9.96%
B 27 10.76%
B- 11 4.38%
C+ 13 5.18%
C 12 4.78%
C- 9 3.59%
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D 10 3.98%
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Old June 27 2013, 12:02 AM   #931
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^That would be a power never portrayed in the comics as I understand them.
Time travel was a routine trick in Superman's bag in the Silver/Bronze ages (up to the 1986 reboot). In his Superboy years, he even routinely commuted to the 30th century to serve as a member of the Legion of Super-Heroes.

His time travel in the comics had its own set of rules that the writers mostly followed, which dictated that he couldn't change his own past. For the movie's story, regarding the usual time travel question of why doesn't he go back to then or then instead, he's probably trying to minimize his impact on the timestream, since what he's doing is supposed to be such a big no-no in the first place, according to the rules laid out by Jor-El. Kryptonian temporal prime directive.

Likewise, I always interpreted the "amnesia kiss" as an unusual manifestation of Super-Hypnosis, another trick in his arsenal in those days.
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Old June 27 2013, 12:37 AM   #932
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Yeah the Donner movies presented Superman more as an almost magical being than an alien from another planet (which is obvious from the start when see a Krypton that seems to exist more in another dimension or plane of existence than simply a neighboring galaxy).

Which is why I never really had a problem with the more mystical abilities of Superman in those movies (turning back time, the amnesia kiss, etc). It all seemed to be fairly consistent with the mystical world that we saw he came from.
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Old June 27 2013, 12:41 AM   #933
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I agree Lapsis. It seems that most critics seem to set up their vision of what Superman should be and then attack the movie from that perspective. Superman has not been that type of hero in the comics for quite awhile.
Not unlike, say, how some Trek fans compare each new film or series to their "vision" of what Star Trek ought to be.
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Old June 27 2013, 01:54 AM   #934
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(which is obvious from the start when see a Krypton that seems to exist more in another dimension or plane of existence than simply a neighboring galaxy).
Never got that impression myself...
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Old June 27 2013, 02:11 AM   #935
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If folks are interested, another interview:

http://http://www.biogamergirl.com/2...eel-novel.html
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Old June 27 2013, 02:12 AM   #936
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(which is obvious from the start when see a Krypton that seems to exist more in another dimension or plane of existence than simply a neighboring galaxy).
Never got that impression myself...
Same here, it always struck me as obvious it was a regular planet in another galaxy, just a civilization that happened to be much more advanced than ours. Yes, SM:TM took more from the Silver Age in its portrayal of Superman who had nearly limitless powers and a overly-boyscout take on life but it never seemed implied he or Kryptonians were from another dimension or plane of existence.

And, really, I didn't like the portrayal of Krypton here (not that I'm a fan of Donner icy/crystalline look.) It looked like a cross between Vulcan from ST'09 and pretty much every planet visited in the Star Wars prequels.
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Old June 27 2013, 02:12 AM   #937
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(which is obvious from the start when see a Krypton that seems to exist more in another dimension or plane of existence than simply a neighboring galaxy).
Never got that impression myself...
Really? Between the trippy space effects, the music, and the design of Krypton as this white crystal heaven in the clouds (which Donner has said in the past was part of their whole Superman-as-Christ theme), I thought it was hard to miss.

I don't think the movies were saying he was literally from another plane or anything, but I think they wanted it to at least feel somewhat like that.
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Old June 27 2013, 02:20 AM   #938
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(which is obvious from the start when see a Krypton that seems to exist more in another dimension or plane of existence than simply a neighboring galaxy).
Never got that impression myself...
Really? Between the trippy space effects, the music, and the design of Krypton as this white crystal heaven in the clouds (which Donner has said in the past was part of their whole Superman-as-Christ theme), I thought it was hard to miss.

I don't think the movies were saying he was literally from another plane or anything, but I think they wanted it to at least feel somewhat like that.
Well that "feel" I can see but it, again, along with the Moses-like origins mostly goes with Superman's history entirely.
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Old June 27 2013, 03:00 AM   #939
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Well hey, nice to see that MOS at least beat WWZ in the UK, if nothing else.

http://www.mtv.co.uk/news/superman-m...op-second-week
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Old June 27 2013, 05:41 AM   #940
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^That would be a power never portrayed in the comics as I understand them.
Time travel was a routine trick in Superman's bag in the Silver/Bronze ages (up to the 1986 reboot). In his Superboy years, he even routinely commuted to the 30th century to serve as a member of the Legion of Super-Heroes.

His time travel in the comics had its own set of rules that the writers mostly followed, which dictated that he couldn't change his own past. For the movie's story, regarding the usual time travel question of why doesn't he go back to then or then instead, he's probably trying to minimize his impact on the timestream, since what he's doing is supposed to be such a big no-no in the first place, according to the rules laid out by Jor-El. Kryptonian temporal prime directive.
But his time travel in the comics isn't a power per se. It's a side effect of his ability to travel at great speeds. Same as The Flash. It's not like they snap their fingers and appear in another time.
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Old June 27 2013, 08:13 PM   #941
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If he can do it, it's a power.

Did you know that there was a time when Superman didn't have "heat vision?" He heated things up with his "x-ray vision."

Back in the day, Flash needed a special treadmill to break the time barrier. Dunno what he's up to now.
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Old June 27 2013, 08:38 PM   #942
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Back in the day, Flash needed a special treadmill to break the time barrier. Dunno what he's up to now.
Well, he runs around the Earth real fast reversing its rotation through inertial drag...
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Old June 27 2013, 09:04 PM   #943
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If he can do it, it's a power.
Not in the sense that it's an "innate ability of kryptonians". It's taking advantage of a side effect of superspeed. He uses superspeed to achieve time travel. He doesn't use time travel to achieve superspeed.
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Old June 27 2013, 09:09 PM   #944
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(which is obvious from the start when see a Krypton that seems to exist more in another dimension or plane of existence than simply a neighboring galaxy).
Never got that impression myself...
Really? Between the trippy space effects, the music, and the design of Krypton as this white crystal heaven in the clouds (which Donner has said in the past was part of their whole Superman-as-Christ theme), I thought it was hard to miss.

I don't think the movies were saying he was literally from another plane or anything, but I think they wanted it to at least feel somewhat like that.
I agree. The problem with movies today is that everything has to be literal. People can't expand in their minds what's implied on screen, and consider the possibilities from there. Unless something is explicitly said, and unless the filmmakers connect every dot, it's not true, and we can't consider it. I always thought, based on various hints, that the Kryptonians have limited control over the fabric of time itself, that they can play with it a bit much like the Builders in The Abyss can plasticize and manipulate water.
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Old June 27 2013, 09:18 PM   #945
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Hmm, so is this Reeve or Cavill? The people behind the movie still aren't admitting anything (possibly because of rights issues), but it sure looks like more than just a "trick of the eye" to me:

http://i.imgur.com/N4X3eZ0.png
or here:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit.../news/?a=82258
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