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View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 28 11.16%
A 53 21.12%
A- 46 18.33%
B+ 25 9.96%
B 27 10.76%
B- 11 4.38%
C+ 13 5.18%
C 12 4.78%
C- 9 3.59%
D+ 8 3.19%
D 10 3.98%
D- 5 1.99%
F 4 1.59%
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Old June 26 2013, 01:51 AM   #901
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At least this movie focused on real estate.

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Old June 26 2013, 02:12 AM   #902
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Suvudu has a brief interview with Greg Cox about his novelization of the movie and Superman in general.
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Old June 26 2013, 02:14 AM   #903
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Was anyone else expecting Lois to completely forget about Superman being Clark Kent after the kiss?
I was waiting for him to turn the planet around, which somehow can affect the space time continuum. God the 2nd half of Superman (1978) is horrendous

People always misinterpret that scene. He's not turning the planet around. He's flying faster than light to go back in time. We as the audience get to see that represented as the planet turning in the opposite direction.
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Old June 26 2013, 02:17 AM   #904
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Was anyone else expecting Lois to completely forget about Superman being Clark Kent after the kiss?
I was waiting for him to turn the planet around, which somehow can affect the space time continuum. God the 2nd half of Superman (1978) is horrendous

People always misinterpret that scene. He's not turning the planet around. He's flying faster than light to go back in time. We as the audience get to see that represented as the planet turning in the opposite direction.
The Reeve Superman movies pretty much had a Silver Age Superman, who can do whatever he wanted. Some fans might not like that, but that is just the way it is.
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Old June 26 2013, 02:24 AM   #905
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Thanks for that.

I really loved this quote:

Greg Cox wrote:
The way I see it, Superman looks like a god from the outside, but he’s a person from his point of view.
I think that encapsulates what Man of Steel was really trying to convey. And, on the whole, it succeeded. In fact, this is what makes Superman's character compelling. What a perfect way to get at the heart of this interpretation of Superman.
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Old June 26 2013, 02:46 AM   #906
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Was anyone else expecting Lois to completely forget about Superman being Clark Kent after the kiss?
I was waiting for him to turn the planet around, which somehow can affect the space time continuum. God the 2nd half of Superman (1978) is horrendous

People always misinterpret that scene. He's not turning the planet around. He's flying faster than light to go back in time. We as the audience get to see that represented as the planet turning in the opposite direction.
And then he goes a bit too far and has to go back the other way!

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Old June 26 2013, 02:48 AM   #907
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Loved it! Just wanted to add two humorous observations:

* When the atmosphere started affecting Clark and he collapsed in front of the general, I immediately thought: Kneel before Zod!

* During the fight, Zod (and perhaps others) were tossing Clark around by his cape. Never was The Incredibles Edna Mode's 'No Capes' admonition more prescient!
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Old June 26 2013, 03:01 AM   #908
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During the fight, Zod (and perhaps others) were tossing Clark around by his cape. Never was The Incredibles Edna Mode's 'No Capes' admonition more prescient!
I actually had the same thought. It was amusing to see Superman's cape being treated as something more than a decoration - as something that could be used against him.
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Old June 26 2013, 03:42 AM   #909
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During the fight, Zod (and perhaps others) were tossing Clark around by his cape. Never was The Incredibles Edna Mode's 'No Capes' admonition more prescient!
I actually had the same thought. It was amusing to see Superman's cape being treated as something more than a decoration - as something that could be used against him.
Blame Jor-El since he was the one that gave the suit to Clark, Martha Kent have nothing to do with it in this universe!
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Old June 26 2013, 03:59 AM   #910
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Greg Cox wrote:
The way I see it, Superman looks like a god from the outside, but he’s a person from his point of view.
I think that encapsulates what Man of Steel was really trying to convey. And, on the whole, it succeeded. In fact, this is what makes Superman's character compelling. What a perfect way to get at the heart of this interpretation of Superman.
Agreed. Despite what the critics say, I thought the movie did a fantastic job humanizing Superman and making his journey relatable, while at the same time keeping him the inspiring, larger than life icon of the comics. Which is a pretty neat trick to pull off.

And they were also able to humanize him without making him the glum and melancholy figure of SR, which I appreciate as well. I'm a big fan of that movie, but I frankly thought MOS did a much better job at nailing his character and making it work.
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Old June 26 2013, 04:03 AM   #911
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People always misinterpret that scene. He's not turning the planet around. He's flying faster than light to go back in time. We as the audience get to see that represented as the planet turning in the opposite direction.
Well that makes it seem the same amount of stupid as it was before. Why not do that everytime something bad happens, lazy writing/cheap cop out. In the Donner cut of Superman II wasn't this time travel device used again at the end? or it was in the original script, something like that?
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Old June 26 2013, 04:14 AM   #912
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People always misinterpret that scene. He's not turning the planet around. He's flying faster than light to go back in time. We as the audience get to see that represented as the planet turning in the opposite direction.
Well that makes it seem the same amount of stupid as it was before. Why not do that everytime something bad happens, lazy writing/cheap cop out. In the Donner cut of Superman II wasn't this time travel device used again at the end? or it was in the original script, something like that?
It was the original ending of II, which is why it's in the Donner Cut, but not the first (1981) release. The decision was made while producing I (both I & II were filmed at the same time for the most part) to put that ending in I.
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In the Donner cut of Superman II wasn't this time travel device used again at the end? or it was in the original script, something like that?
From http://cinemademerde.com/Essay-Superman_II.shtml:

The first movie was originally going to end as a sort of cliff-hanger, with Zod being released from the Phantom Zone and shouting "Free!" Ultimately they decided that the first movie needed a stronger finish, and they moved the reversing-time sequence—planned from the start as the climax of Superman II—to the first film, planning to just think of a new climax when it came time to complete Superman II. [...] So upon reconstructing the Donner version of the film, they had a choice of using the Lester version with the kiss of forgetting, or leave the original ending with the time reversal, making it seem as though Superman did it twice.
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Old June 26 2013, 05:10 AM   #914
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Zod being the cliffhanger would have been cool as long as they got rid of the time travel thing entirely. They should have had Lois keep her memory of Clark being Superman too.
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Zod being the cliffhanger would have been cool as long as they got rid of the time travel thing entirely. They should have Lois keep her memory of Clark being Superman too.
Who says they didn't?

I had the very distinct impression from the end of the movie that Lois knew exactly who he was.
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