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View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 28 11.16%
A 53 21.12%
A- 46 18.33%
B+ 25 9.96%
B 27 10.76%
B- 11 4.38%
C+ 13 5.18%
C 12 4.78%
C- 9 3.59%
D+ 8 3.19%
D 10 3.98%
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Old June 24 2013, 07:59 PM   #871
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As an aside, it seems Terrence Stamp had an interesting encounter with a few viewers of "Man of Steel".
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Old June 24 2013, 08:08 PM   #872
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BTW, looks like the Speedo's gone for...the long-term future.
Gods, I'd forgotten about the speedo. Seriously!

OK.... about the speedo: I didn't miss it!
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Perhaps as a lead in to Lex as the instigator in the 3rd movie.
Why wait that long? We've got the the perfect opportunity for Lex to appear in the 2nd movie.
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Old June 24 2013, 08:14 PM   #873
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Why wait that long? We've got the the perfect opportunity for Lex to appear in the 2nd movie.
I really don't want another Lex Luthor real estate plot.
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Old June 24 2013, 08:18 PM   #874
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FOS was only in the first two movies, not in the third or fourth.
FWIW, I'm pretty sure it was featured briefly in IV.
It did. Only in that film, it was colored green, which led me to wonder if it was infested with Kryptonite or something.
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Old June 24 2013, 09:09 PM   #875
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Wanna respond to the actual point of the post?
That was not a response to your post, that was fixing your post.
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Old June 24 2013, 10:26 PM   #876
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Wanna respond to the actual point of the post?
That was not a response to your post, that was fixing your post.
So, no, you don't want to respond to the point.

That's often the response when someone has said something inane and doesn't want to admit it.
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Old June 25 2013, 12:55 AM   #877
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Every reboot or revisit of a character or property reinterprets the original and/or preceding versions to some degree or other. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I don't agree with everything in MoS, but overall I think they did a decent job of it. I also look forward to seeing what they do in the sequel that might or might not touch on some things raised in this first film.

Oh, and put me down for another who really doesn't care for so much handycam work.
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Old June 25 2013, 04:10 AM   #878
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?? Not romantic, but they certainly had time to sit about and crack wise..
Yeah I agree with you there, I kinda wish the quipping was dialed back there though I would argue that's a different animal from Man Of Steel. I would give you that at least.


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Considering how many damaged and failing buildings would have been collapsing at that point in the story, the fact that they giggled a bit and then went to ALL glower at Loki in a hero pose shot (because only one or two of them couldn't take him as he was crawling away while the others saw to survivors??) shows their wanton disregard for human life. Or at least it should if people were applying the same standards to that movie as to this one.
Please allow me the honor of linking you to an excellent article.

http://badassdigest.com/2013/06/15/w...steel-matters/

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I'm astonished this debate continues on and on. It's a comic book movie. Every one I've ever seen has shown enormous destruction and made next to no mention of survivors, death tolls or anything else, except insofar as it served to move the story forward. Anyone with half a brain knows to accept the conventions of the genre which is that as soon as the good guy trounces the bad guy the trauma is over and on with the show because NO ONE IS ACTUALLY DYING. It's a story about a guy in blue tights who flies - it's ludicrous to expect a realistic treatment of the destruction. Comic books don't do it, comic book movies don't do it.
I know that one has to suspend a great deal of disbelief when going to see these movies. But Man of Steel's destruction is over-excessive even by comic book movie standards and way its realistically portrayed is kinda disturbing and also ridiculous. I don't think I've seen anything like it in a superhero film before. Even Rises didn't have the same amount of wanton destruction this flick had.

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If you want to try to argue that it's a basic part of Superman's character that he tries to save people while fighting, then I have to ask - what about the town that inevitably had to flood in STM when he turned back time and hung around to save Lois rather than did the heroic deeds he did the first time around? What about all the people engulfed in the destruction during his fight with Doomsday in the comics? People are applying inconsistent standards to this story as opposed to others. Sometimes it fits the pacing and theme of a tale to make protecting all the people a plot point, sometimes it doesn't.

With Superman 1 I can kinda forgive since it was just one of the hiccups of the storytelling. However thats something different entirely. Look at Superman 2 when Superman was very conscious of his surroundings and making great effort to protect the bystanders fighting Zod and his minions--that's what I wanted to see while fighting Zod and his minions. That's all, I could forgive the wanton destruction if I felt that Supes had at least made effort to save folks. You cited Death of Superman(one of the unintentionally hilarious stories in comics and the one story where Supes donned his accursed Super-mullet! Story was badly written trite and was just gimmicky story just to get sales the normal Superman comics I've read(with a few exceptions mind you) mostly show Superman as being very, very conscious of his whereabouts when fighting a powerful enemy. One could rebut that Supes is only just starting and isn't experienced and this isn't the Superman that I know, but for me I feel it's more of a product of the filmmakers went overboard in showing the gravity of Zod's threat.

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Old June 25 2013, 04:20 AM   #879
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That kiss was a pretty natural thing to happen. Lois and Superman formed a close bond and then survived multiple near-death experiences. In their relief at surviving they kissed.
I severely disagree. It would be a natural thing if it happened sometime after the ending battle, not while buildings are being thrashed. I know this is a comic book movie but I was literally laughing out loud when I saw that, not to mention the cheesy dialogue that was in it. I know it's a comic book movie movie but I expect a little more believability out of these movies, especially from a so called more 'realistic' take on Superman.


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I can tell you that if my wife and I survived a near death experience like that we would most likely hug and kiss in relief too.
Here's the thing: You're not a super-powered alien who has the responsibility of stopping a genocidal alien general, who at the very moment is wiping out hundreds of thousands of people of your adopted homeworld. No offense, but you and your wife comforting each after after luckily surviving a traumatic experience like that is very different from that.
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Old June 25 2013, 07:57 AM   #880
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Here's the thing: You're not a super-powered alien who has the responsibility of stopping a genocidal alien general, who at the very moment is wiping out hundreds of thousands of people of your adopted homeworld. No offense, but you and your wife comforting each after after luckily surviving a traumatic experience like that is very different from that.
Actually at that point in the story they (like the audience) assumed Zod had been sucked back into the Phantom Zone, and that the battle had finally come to an end.

If that's not a time to celebrate and comfort each other, I don't know what is.
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Old June 25 2013, 10:53 AM   #881
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I gave it a C+. It's a little better than Into Darkness to me, but that's only because the special effects were better and I actually felt something while watching it. Plus, I do like the new Superman.

I don't think it treated women very well, but I'll leave that be. It would be nice to see a prominent minority woman in the next film, in addition to a very smart and kickass Lois. Also, the story kind of didn't make sense. I mean, if you can terraform a planet, and you were just hanging around for 33 years, then why didn't you do this to another planet earlier? I don't know... I just walked away having a lot of questions.

I described it as grade "A" meets grade "F" to a friend who was on the fence as to whether he wanted to see it or not because he'd heard things about it. Some things in this film are fantastic, and other things are downright awful... I'll leave it at that.
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Old June 25 2013, 01:09 PM   #882
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I mean, if you can terraform a planet, and you were just hanging around for 33 years, then why didn't you do this to another planet earlier? I don't know... I just walked away having a lot of questions.
Well, you have to listen to what characters in the movie say - you know, "dialogue?" You apparently missed all the explanation about the Codex.
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Old June 25 2013, 01:16 PM   #883
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It would be nice to see a prominent minority woman in the next film
Someone like Amanda Waller would be a good fit for that but with her character appearing the Green Lantern movie I'm not sure if they'd go for it. I'd like to see it though.
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Old June 25 2013, 02:18 PM   #884
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Here's the thing: You're not a super-powered alien who has the responsibility of stopping a genocidal alien general, who at the very moment is wiping out hundreds of thousands of people of your adopted homeworld. No offense, but you and your wife comforting each after after luckily surviving a traumatic experience like that is very different from that.
Actually at that point in the story they (like the audience) assumed Zod had been sucked back into the Phantom Zone, and that the battle had finally come to an end.

If that's not a time to celebrate and comfort each other, I don't know what is.
Exactly. They thought the battle was over an in the rush of emotions they embraced.

It's not so dissimilar to the famous V-J Day Times Square Kiss where a random sailor kisses a random woman in celebration. At least Lois and Clark knew each other.
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Old June 25 2013, 02:29 PM   #885
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Here's the thing: You're not a super-powered alien who has the responsibility of stopping a genocidal alien general, who at the very moment is wiping out hundreds of thousands of people of your adopted homeworld. No offense, but you and your wife comforting each after after luckily surviving a traumatic experience like that is very different from that.
Actually at that point in the story they (like the audience) assumed Zod had been sucked back into the Phantom Zone, and that the battle had finally come to an end.

If that's not a time to celebrate and comfort each other, I don't know what is.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't celebrating when half my city has been laid to ruins. A kiss can only go so far...
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