RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 138,909
Posts: 5,387,975
Members: 24,718
Currently online: 591
Newest member: Tribblemaker

TrekToday headlines

IDW Publishing November Trek Comic
By: T'Bonz on Aug 20

Pegg/Wright Trilogy In The Works
By: T'Bonz on Aug 20

Star Trek: The Compendium Rebate Details
By: T'Bonz on Aug 20

Gold Key Archives Volume 2
By: T'Bonz on Aug 19

Takei Documentary Wins Award
By: T'Bonz on Aug 19

Cumberbatch To Voice Khan
By: T'Bonz on Aug 19

Shaun And Ed On Phineas and Ferb
By: T'Bonz on Aug 18

New Ships Coming From Official Starships Collection
By: T'Bonz on Aug 18

Trek Stars Take On Ice Bucket Challenge
By: T'Bonz on Aug 18

Retro Review: Profit and Lace
By: Michelle on Aug 16


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Science Fiction & Fantasy

Science Fiction & Fantasy Farscape, Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, vampires, genre books and film.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 28 11.16%
A 53 21.12%
A- 46 18.33%
B+ 25 9.96%
B 27 10.76%
B- 11 4.38%
C+ 13 5.18%
C 12 4.78%
C- 9 3.59%
D+ 8 3.19%
D 10 3.98%
D- 5 1.99%
F 4 1.59%
Voters: 251. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old June 24 2013, 07:02 PM   #856
davejames
Vice Admiral
 
Location: Sac, Ca
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Jeyl wrote: View Post
Plus none of the Avengers had any romantic happy moments in the middle of a ruined city where people were most likely still dying.
The Avengers sure found time to joke around though. And the big recovery montage was half-filled with cheesy comments ("I love you Thor!" and "Superheroes in New York?") and people clowning around in superhero costumes. So it's not like the movie was taking the destruction THAT seriously.
davejames is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24 2013, 07:11 PM   #857
Jeyl
Commodore
 
Jeyl's Avatar
 
Location: Asheville, NC
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

stj wrote: View Post
But I'm so glad we got this Lois I'm still not inclined to look the gift horse in the mouth.
Yes. We have this Lois who follows Clark for weird reasons and gets attacked by evil machines so she can be rescued by Superman. She also gets sent to Zod's ship for.... reasons. Oh, wait. She was sent there so she could be rescued by Superman. Also she tags along with the military so they can bomb Zod's ship because.... she can't push a button. Ack! What was I thinking? She tagged along so she could be rescued by Superman. Actually, I think she was just there for exposition dumps.

Also, she's not a good person if death, doom and destruction don't phase her.
Jeyl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24 2013, 07:14 PM   #858
Lapis Exilis
Rear Admiral
 
Lapis Exilis's Avatar
 
Location: Underground
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Jeyl wrote: View Post
davejames wrote: View Post
I do agree we probably should have seen a bit more concern from Superman during the battle though, and maybe some shots of him afterwards helping out with the recovery effort.
Plus none of the Avengers had any romantic happy moments in the middle of a ruined city where people were most likely still dying.
?? Not romantic, but they certainly had time to sit about and crack wise.

Tony Stark: Alright. Hey. Alright. Good job, guys. Let's just not come in tomorrow. Let's just take a day. Have you ever tried shawarma? There's a shawarma joint about two blocks from here. I don't know what it is, but I wanna try it.

Considering how many damaged and failing buildings would have been collapsing at that point in the story, the fact that they giggled a bit and then went to ALL glower at Loki in a hero pose shot (because only one or two of them couldn't take him as he was crawling away while the others saw to survivors??) shows their wanton disregard for human life. Or at least it should if people were applying the same standards to that movie as to this one.

I'm astonished this debate continues on and on. It's a comic book movie. Every one I've ever seen has shown enormous destruction and made next to no mention of survivors, death tolls or anything else, except insofar as it served to move the story forward. Anyone with half a brain knows to accept the conventions of the genre which is that as soon as the good guy trounces the bad guy the trauma is over and on with the show because NO ONE IS ACTUALLY DYING. It's a story about a guy in blue tights who flies - it's ludicrous to expect a realistic treatment of the destruction. Comic books don't do it, comic book movies don't do it.

If you want to try to argue that it's a basic part of Superman's character that he tries to save people while fighting, then I have to ask - what about the town that inevitably had to flood in STM when he turned back time and hung around to save Lois rather than did the heroic deeds he did the first time around? What about all the people engulfed in the destruction during his fight with Doomsday in the comics? People are applying inconsistent standards to this story as opposed to others. Sometimes it fits the pacing and theme of a tale to make protecting all the people a plot point, sometimes it doesn't.
__________________
Don't try to win over the haters; you're not the jackass whisperer. - Scott Straten
Lapis Exilis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24 2013, 07:17 PM   #859
Admiral Buzzkill
Fleet Admiral
 
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

CorporalCaptain wrote: View Post
Admiral Buzzkill wrote: View Post
BTW, looks like the Speedo's gone for...the long-term future.
Gods, I'd forgotten about the speedo. Seriously!

OK.... about the speedo: I didn't miss it!
It's just that we were assured as a fact that it would be back in the comics "in less than a year."
Admiral Buzzkill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24 2013, 07:17 PM   #860
Jeyl
Commodore
 
Jeyl's Avatar
 
Location: Asheville, NC
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

davejames wrote: View Post
Jeyl wrote: View Post
Plus none of the Avengers had any romantic happy moments in the middle of a ruined city where people were most likely still dying.
The Avengers sure found time to joke around though. And the big recovery montage was half-filled with cheesy comments ("I love you Thor!" and "Superheroes in New York?") and people clowning around in superhero costumes. So it's not like the movie was taking the destruction THAT seriously.
Because if they made the destruction dark and gritty, it wouldn't have been fun. Plus the real difference here is that unlike Superman, the Avengers were being heroic. I think this moment sums it up nicely.

Server Lady: All I know is Captain America saved my life, to him and the others, I just wanna say thank you.

And Captain America was the labeled soldier of the group.
Jeyl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24 2013, 07:19 PM   #861
Jeyl
Commodore
 
Jeyl's Avatar
 
Location: Asheville, NC
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Lapis Exilis wrote: View Post
?? Not romantic, but they certainly had time to sit about and crack wise.

Tony Stark: Alright. Hey. Alright. Good job, guys. Let's just not come in tomorrow. Let's just take a day. Have you ever tried shawarma? There's a shawarma joint about two blocks from here. I don't know what it is, but I wanna try it.
Wana throw in the whole exchange?

Thor: We're not finished yet.
Tony Stark: And then shawarma after.
Jeyl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24 2013, 07:20 PM   #862
Savage Dragon
TheSeeker
 
Savage Dragon's Avatar
 
Location: New York, NY
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

That kiss was a pretty natural thing to happen. Lois and Superman formed a close bond and then survived multiple near-death experiences. In their relief at surviving they kissed.

I can tell you that if my wife and I survived a near death experience like that we would most likely hug and kiss in relief too.
Savage Dragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24 2013, 07:35 PM   #863
CorporalCaptain
Vice Admiral
 
CorporalCaptain's Avatar
 
Location: Kentucky
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Jeyl wrote: View Post
stj wrote: View Post
But I'm so glad we got this Lois I'm still not inclined to look the gift horse in the mouth.
Yes. We have this Lois who follows Clark for weird reasons and gets attacked by evil machines so she can be rescued by Superman.
Yep, she was a reporter. Snooping for a story and getting in trouble was pretty typical Lois behavior, actually.

I'd certainly wonder why someone wasn't wearing the indicated cold weather clothing, yet not freezing to death too, by the way. I've only seen the movie once so far, but I remember there was a sign on the door to the shelter where the military stuck Lois, that explained all the shit you need to wear to avoid freezing to death outside. Clark wasn't dressed that way, so for "some reason" she thought it was odd.... Seeing something odd, when something odd is discovered way under the ice that gets the military interested, couldn't possibly seem odd! No....

She also gets sent to Zod's ship for.... reasons. Oh, wait. She was sent there so she could be rescued by Superman.
Yeah, the fact that she was responsible for writing a story about Superman that got dump onto the Internet (which evidently Zod could scan, since they figured out how to communicate with Earthlings) couldn't possibly mean that she knew something. No....

Also she tags along with the military so they can bomb Zod's ship because.... she can't push a button. Ack! What was I thinking? She tagged along so she could be rescued by Superman. Actually, I think she was just there for exposition dumps.
Yeah, Jor-El goofed/didn't anticipate everything. She couldn't do what he told her ("push the button"), because....wait for it....the aperture wasn't aligned. Dr. Hamilton (Richard Schiff/Toby Ziegler) had to figure out how to twist it into position. They brought her because she was who Jor-El had communicated with.

Also, she's not a good person if death, doom and destruction don't phase her.
We've not actually been through a time when the whole Earth was almost converted into the likeness of an alien planet, but I imagine that people could be kinda happy, if that was going to happen but then got stopped. I don't remember her jumping around saying how kewl she thought all the rubble was....
__________________
John
CorporalCaptain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24 2013, 07:36 PM   #864
Jeyl
Commodore
 
Jeyl's Avatar
 
Location: Asheville, NC
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

TheSeeker wrote: View Post
That kiss was a pretty natural thing to happen. Lois and Superman formed a close bond and then survived multiple near-death experiences. In their relief at surviving they kissed.

I can tell you that if my wife and I survived a near death experience like that we would most likely hug and kiss in relief too.
Except there is no chemistry between Lois and Superman. They just happen to know each other and, well, that's it. There is no real build up for that moment to be any kind of pay off. It feels more "out of nowhere" than the Spock/Uhura romance in the Star Trek movies. They're a couple now because..... they're a couple now.
Jeyl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24 2013, 07:37 PM   #865
judgeroy
Lieutenant Junior Grade
 
Location: In the mountains
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

davejames, I learned a long time ago that when it comes to movies like STID, MOS and Marvel's Avengers, you have to work at paying attention to dialog as well as the action to catch a lot of the subtle details. Which is why I think many people miss the "message" elements of the story and end up feeling like the movie is nothing more than a popcorn action flick. Note: I am not meaning to thump anyone here, just IMO, your usage may vary. I usually go to movies like this a second time just so I can relax and breath it in. LOL. As far as al the hand wringing about the destruction and Supes seeming lack of concern about it, c'mon guys, we are talking the man who made Watchmen here. The whole sub plot to that movie and graphic novel was consequences of both intentional and unintentional actions, not just about the big plan. I expect that this issue will be addressed in the next movie in some way. Perhaps as a lead in to Lex as the instigator in the 3rd movie.
judgeroy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24 2013, 07:42 PM   #866
Jeyl
Commodore
 
Jeyl's Avatar
 
Location: Asheville, NC
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

CorporalCaptain wrote: View Post
Yeah, Jor-El goofed/didn't anticipate everything. She couldn't do what he told her ("push the button"), because....wait for it....the aperture wasn't aligned. Dr. Hamilton (Richard Schiff/Toby Ziegler) had to figure out how to twist it into position. They brought her because she was who Jor-El had communicated with.
Obviously, she couldn't just tell anyone else this and so we needed a scene where she needs a guy to figure it out for her. Also thanks for pointing out that it was Dr. Hamilton who aligned the ship and the fact that he was played by Richard Schiff from the West Wing because his role was so small and so obscure that we probably wouldn't have known it was him unless you told us. Would have been really nice if the film gave did that job for you instead of just randomly throwing him in scenes like the character of Nathan Hardy.
Jeyl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24 2013, 07:44 PM   #867
Jeyl
Commodore
 
Jeyl's Avatar
 
Location: Asheville, NC
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

judgeroy wrote: View Post
I expect that this issue will be addressed in the next movie in some way. Perhaps as a lead in to Lex as the instigator in the 3rd movie.
I think this Superman should just kill anyone who happens to be the bad guy in future installments. If he's willing to break Zod's neck to save four people, he should kill bad guys who would openly threaten thousands, if not millions of people. I mean, why not?
Jeyl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24 2013, 07:46 PM   #868
Admiral Buzzkill
Fleet Admiral
 
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

TheSeeker wrote: View Post
That kiss was a pretty natural thing to happen. Lois and Superman formed a close bond and then survived multiple near-death experiences. In their relief at surviving they kissed.

I can tell you that if my wife and I survived a near death experience like that we would most likely hug and kiss in relief too.
Absolutely loved the kissing scene.
Admiral Buzzkill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24 2013, 07:51 PM   #869
CorporalCaptain
Vice Admiral
 
CorporalCaptain's Avatar
 
Location: Kentucky
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

How could anyone miss Toby Ziegler?
__________________
John
CorporalCaptain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24 2013, 07:54 PM   #870
Lapis Exilis
Rear Admiral
 
Lapis Exilis's Avatar
 
Location: Underground
Re: MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Jeyl wrote: View Post
Lapis Exilis wrote: View Post
?? Not romantic, but they certainly had time to sit about and crack wise.

Tony Stark: Alright. Hey. Alright. Good job, guys. Let's just not come in tomorrow. Let's just take a day. Have you ever tried shawarma? There's a shawarma joint about two blocks from here. I don't know what it is, but I wanna try it.
Wana throw in the whole exchange?

Thor: We're not finished yet.
Tony Stark: And then shawarma after.
Wanna respond to the actual point of the post?
__________________
Don't try to win over the haters; you're not the jackass whisperer. - Scott Straten
Lapis Exilis is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
christopher nolan, man of steel, superman

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:32 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.