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View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 28 11.16%
A 53 21.12%
A- 46 18.33%
B+ 25 9.96%
B 27 10.76%
B- 11 4.38%
C+ 13 5.18%
C 12 4.78%
C- 9 3.59%
D+ 8 3.19%
D 10 3.98%
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Old June 14 2013, 02:38 AM   #61
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The fate of DC movies rests on this movie.
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If this fails then expect a Batman reboot to be quickly greenlit to rebound from "Man of Steel's low performance.
I guess you haven't heard that Warner Bros. has already greenlit a Superman sequel, based on the advance buzz and box-office projections.
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Old June 14 2013, 03:02 AM   #62
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The fate of DC movies rests on this movie.
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If this fails then expect a Batman reboot to be quickly greenlit to rebound from "Man of Steel's low performance.
I guess you haven't heard that Warner Bros. has already greenlit a Superman sequel, based on the advance buzz and box-office projections.
Yeah, just like they greenlit sequels to "Superman Returns" and "Green Lantern" shortly after those movies were released.
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Old June 14 2013, 03:34 AM   #63
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Wow. It's currently only scoring 56% at RT. I'm going to see it anyway, but the reception to the film is a bit surprising to me.
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Old June 14 2013, 04:00 AM   #64
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My main complaint re: the advance screening was the 3D format.

Otherwise...well, I'm going back next week.
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Old June 14 2013, 04:05 AM   #65
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^If it's sunk that much in just a day, then it could rise just as much by tomorrow. It takes time for a consensus to emerge.

Note also that the 58% rating for "all critics" is given a "rotten" symbol while the 60% rating for "top critics" -- which is statistically indistinguishable from the former -- gets a "fresh" symbol. Clearly the dividing line between what they label good and bad is rather arbitrary, and the icons are a gross oversimplification. (I read at least one "rotten"-labeled review that was actually largely positive. A binary system like RT's is not good at dealing with nuance and ambivalence.)
That's why I prefer Metacritic. It gives a more equal average (although it does give "top critics" more weight), and it has three colors, which correspond more or less to good, average, poor. It's also set with 80-100 green, 40-60 yellow, and 0-39 red.
Yeah, now that I look at it, it appears most of those "rotten" critics are simply giving the movie 2 to 2 1/2 stars or a C, which only suggests they thought it was so-so, not that it was awful or an outright bomb (we're not talking about an Adam Sandler movie here or anything!).

Although still... that's way too many people thinking the movie is just so-so.
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Old June 14 2013, 06:00 AM   #66
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The fate of DC movies rests on this movie.
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If this fails then expect a Batman reboot to be quickly greenlit to rebound from "Man of Steel's low performance.
I guess you haven't heard that Warner Bros. has already greenlit a Superman sequel, based on the advance buzz and box-office projections.
It's common these day's for studios to line up a sequel before their movie is even completed.

It's a sign they're positive about the movie

If the movie fails then they'll quietly back away from sequel talk till no one remembers.
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Old June 14 2013, 06:34 AM   #67
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A+

I'll have to read those reviews to see where the critics felt it went wrong. Maybe too many expectations got in the way. Maybe they expected a fun summer superhero movie and didn't get it. Maybe they even expected a Superman movie. Well, I'll tell you right now, it's not your typical summer blockbuster and it's not a Superman movie. It's an alien invasion drama/horror/action piece that just happens to use elements of Superman as dressing.

I loved it.

It wasn't a perfect movie, but I'm giving it a perfect score anyway because it radicalized Superman and succeeded. I watched and left the theatre feeling like I had seen something new. A rehash, this wasn't. Though it did have a few homages here and there.

Oh, and the suit totally works in the context of this movie. You'll see.

More tomorrow.
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Old June 14 2013, 06:50 AM   #68
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Can't wait to see this in Imax early next week. We don't have a babysitter this weekend unfortunately.

For those following the new 52 though, does this movie follow any of the new elements of Superman? Is the name Superman even used in the movie?
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Old June 14 2013, 10:48 AM   #69
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Can't wait to see this in Imax early next week. We don't have a babysitter this weekend unfortunately.

For those following the new 52 though, does this movie follow any of the new elements of Superman? Is the name Superman even used in the movie?
Only New 52 element is the lack of trunks on the suit and, perhaps, the suit being Kryptonian armor rather than modified baby blankets from the ship or something.

"Superman" is used once or twice in the movie but not until well into it and more of a one-off line from a side character.
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Old June 14 2013, 12:51 PM   #70
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A positive but slightly spoilerish in places review from MSN:

http://t.entertainment.msn.com/man-o...ong?toc=movies

So were there any midnight showings? I expected a little more buzz by now.
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Old June 14 2013, 02:09 PM   #71
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Now for a few points…

- As with Lois & Clark, Man of Steel did a fantastic job of humanizing Clark Kent/Superman. He's not a larger-than-life superhero, he's almost your avarage joe. He's enough of a good guy without being a goody goody boy scout. And Cavill too serious?!? He's the least serious version of Superman ever. He plays more of a pragmatist with a touch of self-assured smart ass than the upstanding moralist we're used to. Robert Downey Jr. has spoiled people's palette for subtler flavors of fun.

- When Superman Returns came out, it seemed like they were trying to avoid any American patriotism with the "truth, justice and all that other stuff" line. I guess we're over that now with something that Superman says at the end.


It played into the afore mentined "average joe" characterization and I found it more frank than patriotic.

- I like how the movie plays fast and loose with Superman's identity. Like… "Yeah, I'm from Kansas, but don't bother following me around to see where I hang my cape."

- The scene where Jonathan Kent suggests to Clark that he should have let the bus full of kids drown caught my attention. Character assassination? I dunno. It could have been more of a passionate offhand comment intended to make a point rather than something he actually feels.

- Amy Adams captured Lois Lane very well. I'll put her up there with the best ones we've had so far.

- I liked that Michael Shannon wasn't channelling Terence Stamp and that Zod wasn't a cartoonish bad guy (all the time).

- I'm glad they didn't forget about Chloe.

- Fun Fact: Alessandro Juliani played Dr. Emil Hamilton on Smallville and in this movie, plays someone who assists Dr. Emil Hamilton, played by Richard Schiff.

- The movie really brought Kryptonian technology to life and made use of it. I also liked how everything was Giger-esque and reminiscent of Alien, Riddick and Dune.

- I still don't like laser eyes, but they put enough effort into making it look good that I didn't mind it too much.

- Kevin Smith didn't like Superman Returns and referred to it as the arthouse version of Superman. I can't wait to hear how he feels about this one. It's even more "arthouse" in parts.

- There was a lot of setup for Lex Luthor to step forward in the next movie.

- I wonder if Earth humans are supposed to be a long lost offshoot of Kryptonians. And what if all that talk about humanity following Kal-El is a reference to him leading everyone to their full Kryptonian-like potential, like the savior/master leading others to salvation/enlightenment.

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Old June 14 2013, 02:19 PM   #72
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Is the name Superman even used in the movie?
I don't think the word "Metropolis" is ever used.

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Yeah, it got to a point where I didn't think they'd ever say it.
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Old June 14 2013, 02:21 PM   #73
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Man of Steel broke Mark Waid's heart in two

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Agent Richard07 has covered a lot of my points/reaction to the film. He hits right on the head in saying its a SF invasion film: War of the Worlds meets The Day the Earth Stood Still.
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Warner Bros. reports that Man of Steel has already grossed $21 million. $9 million came from midnight shows and the other $12 million came from a Thursday corporate group sale screening program.
Boom!
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