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C+ 13 5.18%
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Old June 11 2013, 06:02 PM   #16
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I've surveyed some of the reviews. Consensus seems to be that it is spectacular, the cast is fine but the film might have benefited from more humor. I expect a $100 million opening weekend.
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Old June 11 2013, 06:21 PM   #17
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In Superman Returns they didn't have it either. The yellow S would make the CGI cape too time consuming and more expensive.
You know, they might have said that but even if it were in some sense true at that time - really, really doubtful - it's not even a consideration now.
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Old June 11 2013, 06:32 PM   #18
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The CBR review is mostly positive.
Elements of Jonathan Kent's fathering smack of character assassination so Jor-El can glow when Clark finally encounters an echo of him. Also, Jonathan does something to prove a point that is just so wrong-headed and out of character that it nearly drove me out of the theater.
I wonder what CBR means by this? Maybe when Daddy Kent went to suicide himself in the Tornado?
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Old June 11 2013, 06:41 PM   #19
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- I kind of miss the yellow "S" on the back of the cape. Kind of. I can accept that it probably doesn't work with this particular costume design.
Same here. The cape always looks odd to me without the yellow S. Granted, the one on Reeve's cape was pretty cheap and ugly looking, but Lois & Clark showed that it was definitely possible to make look cool.
In Superman Returns they didn't have it either. The yellow S would make the CGI cape too time consuming and more expensive.

The 90's animated series had a similar reason. The \S/ is good on paper but difficult in motion for CGI and animation.
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Old June 11 2013, 08:07 PM   #20
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From the CBR review:

Also, Jonathan does something to prove a point that is just so wrong-headed and out of character that it nearly drove me out of the theater.
Is it out of character for the way Jonathan is portrayed in Man of Steel or is it out of character for how the reviewer has seen Jonathan portrayed before? This is a reimagined version so he can have different behaviors than previous ones and not be out of character.
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Old June 11 2013, 08:50 PM   #21
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It's an odd choice, and honestly, I don't think it works.

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Old June 11 2013, 09:17 PM   #22
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Really liked this Movies.com review, the way he describes the themes and characters, and the fact he found it so emotionally resonant. That's a bit reassuring after the way some critics described it as just a dull, mindnumbing action-fest.

http://www.movies.com/movie-news/man...an-movie/12497
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Old June 11 2013, 09:36 PM   #23
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I get the impression that some reviewers just don't like superhero movies in general.
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Old June 11 2013, 10:07 PM   #24
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Something not too different from all those ludicrous ideas from the 90's "Superman" movie scripts.

-Suit's not traditional
-Kryptonian culture is different from Donner
Why wouldn't the culture be different from Donner's version? It's not like Richard Donner invented Superman or Krypton. His movie's version of Kryptonian civilization was a radical reinvention. For the previous four decades, Krypton had developed more along the lines of your standard Flash Gordon-style futuristic society with colorful costumes and flying cars and whatnot (in the premiere of the '50s TV series, they even wore reused costumes from Flash Gordon serials). And the versions of Krypton seen in subsequent adaptations like the syndicated Superboy, Lois and Clark, and Superman: The Animated Series were all distinct from the Donner version too, as was the version glimpsed in the early seasons of Smallville (as reflected in things like the technology design of Clark's ship).

It wasn't until Superman Returns came out that the Donner-style sterile-white-crystals Krypton made a comeback -- specifically because it was meant to be in the same universe as the Donner films, allowing for a sliding timescale -- and then Smallville and the comics began following suit in order to ride the movie's coattails.
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Old June 12 2013, 02:46 AM   #25
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Well I'm just hoping that whatever they DO set up for Krypton stays the norm for a little while - I'm kinda tired with all these 'reinventions' of Krypton every time some writer goes "y'know we should make it look like this... again."

I mean Byrne sorta rode the Donner train back in 86 (And really it was only like less than 10 years since Superman 1 and there were still Reeves movies being made and hell his Superman looked like a much bulkier Christopher Reeve) Then sometime in the past decade or so they started to Silver Age Krypton, dumping all or most of the established comics Krypton stuff.

I'm kinda interested in seeing more of this style of Krypton and Kryptonians in the future - it looks pretty distinct and far more original than the recycled Flash Gordon designs of the 50s-70s or the crystal sterility of the Donner era.

The new suit is starting to grow on me too - I'm kinda digging the quasi-armor look actually. looks better than the "New 52" suit which IS far more armor. This looks more like chainmail/underarmor - which is kinda pointless for a man who's skin can bounce bullets - but it looks a lot better than spandex or that goofy spandex with the overly complex textures.

Granted this is an overly complex suit too - but for some reason all the texture and "high def" detail works better than the 'Returns' suit.
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Old June 12 2013, 03:58 AM   #26
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I never saw Byrne's Kryptonian designs as being that much like those in the Donner movies. There was a similar sterility to the culture, but Byrne designed a distinctly different way of conveying that impression, rather than just slavishly copying like Returns and Smallville did.
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Old June 12 2013, 04:32 AM   #27
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Byrne's Krypton reminded me of the Shi'ar.
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Old June 13 2013, 12:36 AM   #28
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Nice to see that they added the Whitney character from Smallville but I really wish they had put in Chloe Sullivan. Next time for sure.

That would've been a nice touch indeed, especially if they could've found a 17 year old actress who bore a close resemblance to Allison. As you say, hopefully next time.

Really looking forward to seeing this, hopefully on Saturday depending on my work schedule.
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Old June 13 2013, 05:09 AM   #29
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Where is Brandon Routh? Even Cain got on the cover!

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Old June 13 2013, 05:39 AM   #30
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They also left out Kirk Alyn and the two Superboy actors but yeah it's sad they left out Routh.

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