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A 53 21.12%
A- 46 18.33%
B+ 25 9.96%
B 27 10.76%
B- 11 4.38%
C+ 13 5.18%
C 12 4.78%
C- 9 3.59%
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D 10 3.98%
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Old December 29 2013, 09:51 PM   #1561
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I think it's easy to believe that Clark's still-developing body may have taken time to develop the sun-derived powers whereas adult Kryptonians with matured forms might be able to process the Sun faster. There are significant differences between a child's body and an adults after all.
This might also explain why Clark was able to hold his own against two Kryptonians at once and snap Zod's neck, something that shouldn't be possible with their powerset. Clark grew up on Earth from a very young age (it looks like only a few days old), while Zod and his companions were only exposed to our Sun and atmosphere for a few hours. Zod getting the ability to fly so quick may be explained by his nature as a warrior (which, IIRC the dialog during that scene basically states).

So because Clark grew up on Earth he is truly invincible while the other Kryptonians are only incredibly strong. Jor-El also stated something about how Earth's environment would make Clark's skin and bones infinitely stronger, which also helps explain why Clark was able to snap Zod's neck. Zod's bones were still very weak comparatively.
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Old December 29 2013, 09:57 PM   #1562
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In response to Shaka Zulu:

On the other, you can argue that SMALLVILLE helped introduce the character to a whole new generation that might have been turned off by a more traditional approach.

My niece watched the show religiously, even though she had never read a SUPERMAN comic in her life and didn't have a clue what a "Brainiac" was. And I have to imagine that she was hardly the only viewer of SMALLVILLE who came to it with fresh eyes and no expectations--which is not necessarily a bad thing.

There's something to be said for not just preaching to the converted . . . .
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Old December 29 2013, 09:57 PM   #1563
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^I'm sorry, but I'm a Superman fan, and if it says (and has) Superman in it, I expect to see Superman do his job as shown in the books. If Warner Bros. can'r do this credibly on TV in live action, then they should leave it to the animation division and to the big screen instead. And the ladies and gentlemen that like this kind of thing can find something else to watch-after all, this is about a man in cape and tights that fights crime and natural disasters, not a rom-com.
You.re not alone. I never cared for this series either.

And although I had my issues with Smallville and I wasn't a regular viewer I thought it was light years better than Lois & Clark.
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Old December 30 2013, 02:09 AM   #1564
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FWIW, I was a major Superman fan at the time, but lost interest in L&C a few episodes in and never looked back.
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Old December 30 2013, 02:24 AM   #1565
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I ignored Lois and Clark back in the day but I have recently got into the show. It's not too bad.
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Old December 30 2013, 06:11 AM   #1566
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The first two seasons of Lois and Clark are good but after that it was pretty horrible.
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Old December 30 2013, 07:43 AM   #1567
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Galactically stupid?

I spent the afternoon watching American Hustle.

Lois Lane is TOTALLY into Batman.
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Old December 30 2013, 03:21 PM   #1568
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The first two seasons of Lois and Clark are good but after that it was pretty horrible.
While I agree with you, I wouldn't call the last two years "horrible". Worse than the first two, yeah, but not horrible.

And Lois & Clark is my favorite version of Superman. Make of that what you will.
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Old December 30 2013, 04:23 PM   #1569
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Galactically stupid?

I spent the afternoon watching American Hustle.

Lois Lane is TOTALLY into Batman.
But Batman is married to Mystique and scamming Hawkeye . . . .
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Old December 30 2013, 05:17 PM   #1570
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Galactically stupid?

I spent the afternoon watching American Hustle.

Lois Lane is TOTALLY into Batman.
But Batman is married to Mystique and scamming Hawkeye . . . .
Because otherwise Rocket Raccoon will throw him in jail.
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Old January 3 2014, 07:47 AM   #1571
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C+
Some of the supporting characters, particularly Lois Lane, Zod and Jor-El (though in the middle he came off as a little too non-alien), were OK to good but the key roles of Clark, Jonathan and Martha were much too bland. It also felt overly (in)convenient that Clark, despite having a suit and being able to fly, didn't make a costumed debut until the bad Kryptonians forced him to and that the villains got out of their imprisonment seemingly pretty easily.
The best parts were the most creative, fat/mean Pete Ross and Lois discovering Clark's secret so early on; I also liked the final Superman/Zod battle but otherwise the action and tone generally felt too much like Thor. Lex Luthor was also very missed.
Edit: Zod demanding Lane came aboard also felt contrived.
Jor-El being at least a little skeptical about or feeling superior to humans could have made Superman's hesitancy to make a debut make more sense.
Didn't like Superman killing Zod. It's true that he did it out of desperation and that he felt bad about it but the film didn't sufficiently establish that Zod, without his machines, was as big a threat as he claimed to be. If Superman kills any time he faces someone about as strong as him or anyone else is threatened, that is missing the point.
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Old January 3 2014, 08:58 PM   #1572
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The three standout things I didn't care for in this film:

- Jonathan Kent's death. Totally pointless and stupid way of doing this. Made zero sense whatsoever.
- Climatic fight scene. Actually most of the figthing scenes quickly got dull, but the ending fight sequence just dragged on to no purpose.
- Superman's costume. It jiust looked wrong to me before and still does.

Most everything else I was okay with.
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Old January 3 2014, 09:17 PM   #1573
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I'd agree with you on your first and third points, but I quite enjoyed the fight scenes. After reading comics for so long it was nice to see a proper slugfest on screen.
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Old January 4 2014, 01:06 AM   #1574
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Agreed about the final Superman/Zod battle dragging on a little too much. But with the others I thought Snyder actually showed a surprising amount of restraint. The battles were much more focused and not nearly as long and tiresome as the battles in the Transformer movies, or the action sequences in the Pirates sequels.

I can understand if it maybe felt that way to some people, but I'd be surprised if they were even close to the same length.
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Old January 4 2014, 01:25 AM   #1575
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I rewatched the movie last night, and besides the character assassination of Jonathan Kent, I really can't remember exactly what problems I had with this movie. The action scenes are great, Cavill makes a fine Superman, Shannon is deliciously hammy as Zod, and overall the movie is pretty fun. The grimness that I recall from my first viewing wasn't apparent to me at all. That's very strange.
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