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A 53 21.12%
A- 46 18.33%
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B 27 10.76%
B- 11 4.38%
C+ 13 5.18%
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Old December 20 2013, 12:27 PM   #1531
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It's almost black, in broad daylight.
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Old December 20 2013, 12:31 PM   #1532
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Also, wasn't the ship with the genesis chamber destroyed by that point?
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Old December 20 2013, 01:48 PM   #1533
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Although that being said... I can't help but wish the new Superman costume looked half as good in the movie as it does in the behind the scenes footage on the blu-ray, before the colors got muted so much in post-production.
The same thing happened on Superman Returns. The suit looked beautiful in reality, but the final grading on the film made the suit (and everything else in the film) look dingy.
Just turn the saturation up on your tele.
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Old December 20 2013, 04:23 PM   #1534
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Jonathan Kent's death ruined the film for me. It's a freaking Tornado. I think you could make the argument that under all the excitement, noise and debris flying all over the place that people what they saw was probably the result of all the excitement. Seeing someone walk to and from a tornado is about as weird as seeing someone just standing there unaffected by the tornado until it completely covers him up.

Also, you're getting no sympathy from me if you think teaching your son a lesson is worth leaving your son guilt ridden and your wife a widow. For a Super Hero movie, nobody seems to give a crap about the life in general. If anything is inconvenient? Screw it. Let's all welcome death with open arms.
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Old December 20 2013, 04:35 PM   #1535
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Although that being said... I can't help but wish the new Superman costume looked half as good in the movie as it does in the behind the scenes footage on the blu-ray, before the colors got muted so much in post-production.
The same thing happened on Superman Returns. The suit looked beautiful in reality, but the final grading on the film made the suit (and everything else in the film) look dingy.
Just turn the saturation up on your tele.
The film wasn't simply desaturated, it was color-corrected to within an inch of its life. You can't undo it with a simple button push. ...if at all.

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I never noticed the dingy color but you're right. Compare
And that shot of Returns' suit is a promo, showing it in a good light. Wanna really despair? The doco "Look, Up in the Sky" featured several shots from the then upcoming Superman Returns before they did final CC. Here's an example of the shot from the doco (top), then the shot from the finished film (bottom)...



(Obviously the jpeg quality is not great, but you can see the startling difference. To be fair, the film shot is from the DVD (which has horrible compression) ...the Blu-ray is better than that.
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Old December 20 2013, 08:04 PM   #1536
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^ Aye, I guess Singer was going for some sort of classic feel on top of the sets, costumes, and general production design with those mud-colored filters, but the result is downright garish. And while I haven't seen the full fan edit itself, this color-corrected fan edit preview by one Booshman is a huge improvement over the official film.

In terms of overall color tones, MOS is actually pretty darn close to Superman Returns, but you're right, it's much more color-corrected than it is filtered, so I highly doubt similar results to the above could be achieved by fiddling around with the color balances at home.
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Old December 27 2013, 11:14 PM   #1537
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A couple of Man of Steel questions:

1. How old is Zod? In the beginning when he is on Krypton he looks like he is in his late 30s early 40s. Then when he arrives on earth 33 years later he should be in his 60s! Yes, they do age him a bit but he isn't portrayed as a man in his 60s. So how old was he?

2. We see Clark at age 33 working on a crab ship and then at a bar. We also see him around the age of 12 or so and then again when he was in late teens early 20s around the time his father died. What do you think he was doing in those years from 20 to 33?
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Old December 28 2013, 12:00 AM   #1538
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1. How old is Zod? In the beginning when he is on Krypton he looks like he is in his late 30s early 40s. Then when he arrives on earth 33 years later he should be in his 60s! Yes, they do age him a bit but he isn't portrayed as a man in his 60s. So how old was he?
I got the impression that his aging process had been slowed by time dilation during his space travels, he looked to me to be in his late Forties by the time they hit Earth.

2. We see Clark at age 33 working on a crab ship and then at a bar. We also see him around the age of 12 or so and then again when he was in late teens early 20s around the time his father died. What do you think he was doing in those years from 20 to 33?
Walking the Earth. Like Caine in Kung Fu. Meeting people. Having adventures.
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Old December 28 2013, 12:02 AM   #1539
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Wasn't Zod in the Phantom Zone for quite a while?
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Old December 28 2013, 12:09 AM   #1540
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No. Zod said that the destruction of Krypton freed him and his people.
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Old December 28 2013, 12:42 AM   #1541
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Zod and his merry band of adventurers were roaming the cosmos looking for Kryptontian ruins and survivors.
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Old December 28 2013, 04:02 AM   #1542
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Given how advanced the Kryptonians were, it wouldn't surprise me if they had long lifespans compared to humans even without the Sun-derived powers. Since Zod was engineered to be the Kryptonian Defender, it'd make sense for him to age slower and retain his vitality and strength even if he was the Earth equivalent of his 50s.

He did look a little older though, he had a grey beard on Earth compared to the start of the film.
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Old December 28 2013, 04:09 AM   #1543
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They clearly haven't aged too much though. While Zod greys in the beard, Faora basically just gets a new hairstyle.
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Old December 28 2013, 05:15 AM   #1544
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The movie is too inconsistent with respect to Kryptonian physiology for a discussion of relative ages to be illuminating. We didn't see any adverse effects of our sun on Clark until he was in grade school, while Zod experienced those same effects within hours of being exposed to our sun. Sure, Clark might have experienced something sooner, but it wasn't explicitly shown. As such, all of that is basically hand-waved away in favor of the story's more direct emphasis on Clark's emotional character arc, rather than internally consistent world-building.

That's in contrast to Superman: The Movie, where a toddler Clark was lifting up a pickup within minutes of crashing on Earth. So when, in Supes II, Zod and his minions (only recently released from the Phantom Zone) start exhibiting super powers on the moon, it wasn't quite so farfetched - within the context of the films themselves.
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Old December 28 2013, 05:54 AM   #1545
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The movie is too inconsistent with respect to Kryptonian physiology for a discussion of relative ages to be illuminating. We didn't see any adverse effects of our sun on Clark until he was in grade school, while Zod experienced those same effects within hours of being exposed to our sun. Sure, Clark might have experienced something sooner, but it wasn't explicitly shown. As such, all of that is basically hand-waved away in favor of the story's more direct emphasis on Clark's emotional character arc, rather than internally consistent world-building.

That's in contrast to Superman: The Movie, where a toddler Clark was lifting up a pickup within minutes of crashing on Earth. So when, in Supes II, Zod and his minions (only recently released from the Phantom Zone) start exhibiting super powers on the moon, it wasn't quite so farfetched - within the context of the films themselves.
Krytonians and their genetic cousins the Daxamite's, both gain powers upon immediate exposure to yellow sun environments. There is no sand bagging or specific amount of time that has to go by for K's and D's to gain Superman-eske powers. It's like that in the comics too. The John Byrne era of the late 80's had the elapsed time rule. With so many different writers handling Superman over the years. It's common for the the sand bagging/elapsed time clause to be dropped out of convenience for the narrative of their story.


For example: Zod was brought back (reintroduced as a new character) in the 2006 comic series "Last Son" written by Geoff Jonhs and cowritten by Richard Donner (Superman 1 and 2). Zod and his followers escape the phantom zone and in a single day wreck Superman, the JLA, and the JSA. It's really a matter of author preference. MOS plays by the same rules established in the comics.
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