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Old June 17 2013, 01:24 AM   #46
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And yet it's making money like few Trek movies ever have. If it's an abyss, it's a very profitable one.
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Old June 17 2013, 01:29 AM   #47
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And yet it's making money like few Trek movies ever have. If it's an abyss, it's a very profitable one.
Stupid people can spend money just as easily as anyone else.

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Old June 17 2013, 02:00 AM   #48
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And yet it's making money like few Trek movies ever have. If it's an abyss, it's a very profitable one.
Stupid people can spend money just as easily as anyone else.

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Old June 17 2013, 02:01 AM   #49
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Or they can constantly ridicule those who like something different.
Or they can make posts complaining about being ridiculed. We can do this all day.

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Old June 17 2013, 05:37 AM   #50
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You'd think in the future, the long range vessels would get smaller as the technology got better.
The last thing a crew (unless you are an android) is to live in cramped conditions while far away from home.

Small ships sux.
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You'd think in the future, the long range vessels would get smaller as the technology got better.
You know how us humans are, even if we make x thing smaller it just means we can fit more of them in the same sized area or X and a Y thing together, we usually never make the shells of things smaller past a point.
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Old June 17 2013, 10:25 AM   #51
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Stupid people can spend money just as easily as anyone else.
Interesting. Do you always think that people who like things you don't like are stupid ? And does this only apply to you ?

I thought you understood that different people like differend things. I guess it's only when you agree with them.
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Old June 17 2013, 10:19 PM   #52
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Interesting. Do you always think that people who like things you don't like are stupid ? And does this only apply to you ?

I thought you understood that different people like differend things. I guess it's only when you agree with them.
The post was a joke, but how did I know you'd shit your pants over it?

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Old June 17 2013, 10:48 PM   #53
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As CE Evans said in another thread, you should make your posts clear. It isn't my responsibility to read your mind.
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Old June 17 2013, 10:53 PM   #54
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As CE Evans said in another thread, you should make your posts clear. It isn't my responsibility to read your mind.
And it's not my responsibility to make sure every one of my posts meets with your approval before its posted.

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Old June 17 2013, 11:04 PM   #55
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I agree. And I think one of biggest underrated technological achievements in Trek is that onboard space isn't considered a premium aboard a starship and that Starfleet can afford to have very comfortable living conditions for its crews.
Unless you happen to be serving on the Defiant.
True, very true.

Depending on what scale of the ship you adhere to--it ranges somewhere between 120-170 meters in length--it seems that the Defiant has the same basic systems as a larger starship, but crammed into a smaller package. The thing that was sacrificed the most was the size of personal living quarters & the sickbay, and a lack of some other crew amenities.

But an argument perhaps could be made that Defiant-class ships were always geared for short-term missions, so their crews were never meant to be on deployment for long.
More than the duration of missions, I'd think the issue would be the nature of said missions.

How often have we seen the Enterprise-D welcome foreign dignitaries?
How often have we seen the Defiant do the same?

The Galaxy was a design of peace. Starfleet had either an alliance (Klingon Empire) or non-aggression pact (Romulan Empire, Cardassian Empire) with most of the other major powers they'd met.
They needed lavish ships not only to meet the needs of the crew, but mostly to welcome ambassadors with the luxury the position entails, and to impress them: stepping aboard the Enterprise-D immediatly conveyed a dual message: "this is a mighty civilisation, but a peaceful one".

Whereas the Defiant-class vessels are ships of war (hell, Sisko even says so), built to counter a threat.
It wasn't meant to carry any diplomatic missions, it was meant to fight the Borg and only to fight the Borg.
Ended up fighting another threat, but still serving (and excelling) in a purely militaristic function.

The Sovereign-class was designed in a time that had seen the emergence of the Borg, of the Dominion and the Klingon alliance breaking.
It had to retain the ability to perform as a "luxury space hotel", given that the flagship was going to be a Sovereign-class, but it would not be its main purpose anymore.
The Starfleet that designed it wanted to project a slighty more aggresive image, they still weren't going to fire first, but they were definitely going to be a bit more prepared for confrontation.
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Old June 17 2013, 11:33 PM   #56
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Ent J looks biggest, but I think the defunt Planet of the Titans Enterprise would have been the most massive--AN-225 to the ENT-J's svelte stratolauncher:

http://www.omega-level.net/2011/01/0...-art-gorgeous/

The saucer alone is the size of JJs huge ship.
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Old June 17 2013, 11:43 PM   #57
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^The pic of the insides of that ship, with all the pipes (Futurama, anyone?) and platforms, is truly bizarre

That ship did actually make it into Trek - it showed up as a big shape looming the background when the Enterprise comes into spacedock (and sees the Excelsior) in STIII. One ofthe other PoTT study models is in the Qualor II junkyard in "Unification"
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Old June 17 2013, 11:49 PM   #58
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That ship did actually make it into Trek - it showed up as a big shape looming the background when the Enterprise comes into spacedock (and sees the Excelsior) in STIII. One ofthe other PoTT study models is in the Qualor II junkyard in "Unification"
Yes! It's visible as the Enterprise comes to stop inside spacedock and the camera gradually pans over to show the Excelsior nearby. The far left of the picture shows a ship moored on the other side of the dock.

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Old June 18 2013, 12:10 AM   #59
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Unless you happen to be serving on the Defiant.
True, very true.

Depending on what scale of the ship you adhere to--it ranges somewhere between 120-170 meters in length--it seems that the Defiant has the same basic systems as a larger starship, but crammed into a smaller package. The thing that was sacrificed the most was the size of personal living quarters & the sickbay, and a lack of some other crew amenities.

But an argument perhaps could be made that Defiant-class ships were always geared for short-term missions, so their crews were never meant to be on deployment for long.
More than the duration of missions, I'd think the issue would be the nature of said missions.

How often have we seen the Enterprise-D welcome foreign dignitaries?
How often have we seen the Defiant do the same?

The Galaxy was a design of peace. Starfleet had either an alliance (Klingon Empire) or non-aggression pact (Romulan Empire, Cardassian Empire) with most of the other major powers they'd met.
They needed lavish ships not only to meet the needs of the crew, but mostly to welcome ambassadors with the luxury the position entails, and to impress them: stepping aboard the Enterprise-D immediatly conveyed a dual message: "this is a mighty civilisation, but a peaceful one".

Whereas the Defiant-class vessels are ships of war (hell, Sisko even says so), built to counter a threat.
It wasn't meant to carry any diplomatic missions, it was meant to fight the Borg and only to fight the Borg.
Ended up fighting another threat, but still serving (and excelling) in a purely militaristic function.
It's kind of given for anyone familiar with the background of the Defiant that the ship was primarily designed for combat and lacked some of the amenities found aboard larger starships. To a degree, all starships are capable of carrying out a wide variety of missions when called upon--even the Defiant engaged in some brief exploration of the Gamma Quadrant before the Dominion War kicked into full gear. Still, interdiction was her primary purpose.
The Sovereign-class was designed in a time that had seen the emergence of the Borg, of the Dominion and the Klingon alliance breaking.
It had to retain the ability to perform as a "luxury space hotel", given that the flagship was going to be a Sovereign-class, but it would not be its main purpose anymore.
The Starfleet that designed it wanted to project a slighty more aggresive image, they still weren't going to fire first, but they were definitely going to be a bit more prepared for confrontation.
I know it's a popular theory among fans that the Sovereign-class was developed in the aftermath of Wolf 359 and first contact with the Dominion, but I tend to think that the Sovereign Class Development Project was already in the works (early drafting stage) when Wolf 359 happened. Perhaps the Sovereign-class was initially conceived as a replacement for the aging Excelsior-class and incorporated lessons learned from the Galaxy-class and other designs.
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^I agree with that. The Borg invasion happened in 2366-67. The Sovereign-class debuted in 2372 if not earlier, as we know the Enterprise-E had been in space for nearly a year by the time FC happened. It's likely the ship's designs were already in progress, though the Borg and Dominion threats may have pushed up the timetable for completing the ships themselves.

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