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Old June 10 2013, 11:09 PM   #16
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Re: Huge Battles?

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exaggerated?

The federation is meant to be HUGE. So starfleet I always thought must of been pretty big.
Of course. Let me rephrase. In part because of budget, we never saw more than a handful of ships at once in TOS and TNG and the movies. However, the mention of only a handful of ships throughout Trek and right up until that DS9 episode (Sacrifice of Angels) at least gives the impression that the big starships are few and far apart.

Of course, logically since the Romulans, Cardassians, Klingons etc. are military empires, you'd expect them to have large fleets and therefore the Federation to also have large numbers of ships to keep the balance of power.

But 1200+ ships on one side of one battle ? That's like two orders of magnitude bigger than the next biggest battle prior to that.
When you have a domain that spans near a thousand odd light years 1200 ships is a pretty measly number.

That is a handfull.
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Old June 10 2013, 11:12 PM   #17
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Par for the course for Star Trek: there's only ever one ship ready to answer any crisis, anywhere, and that's always the Enterprise.
It actually made sense for the Enterprise to be there in "The Best of Both Worlds." She was the Federation flagship and was also the only vessel known to have survived an enounter with the Borg. Sending any other ship didn't make sense.

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Old June 10 2013, 11:14 PM   #18
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Par for the course for Star Trek: there's only ever one ship ready to answer any crisis, anywhere, and that's always the Enterprise.
It actually made sense for the Enterprise to be there in "The Best of Both Worlds." She was the Federation flagship and was also the only vessel known to have survived an enounter with the Borg. Sending any other ship didn't make sense.

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Being the Borg it would have made sense that the Enterprise and 200 ships be avalible
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Old June 10 2013, 11:17 PM   #19
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Being the Borg it would have made sense that the Enterprise and 200 ships be avalible
As I said, they weren't expecting the Borg so soon. The Federation fleet was scattered throughout the quadrant, so there wasn't enough time to gather that many ships in one place.

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Old June 10 2013, 11:28 PM   #20
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The Borg pretty much walked right up to the Federation's front door, and the fleet was caught out of position.
Par for the course for Star Trek: there's only ever one ship ready to answer any crisis, anywhere, and that's always the Enterprise.
True, while it's dramatically serendipitous that an Enterprise is always the only ship that's available to answer the call, it is also apparently quite the effective strategy. An Enterprise at the scene never fails to save the day.

Makes you wonder why Starfleet doesn't name all their ships Enterprise.
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Old June 10 2013, 11:32 PM   #21
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True, while it's dramatically serendipitous that an Enterprise is always the only ship that's available to answer the call, it is also apparently quite the effective strategy. An Enterprise at the scene never fails to save the day.

Makes you wonder why Starfleet doesn't name all their ships Enterprise.
Part of the Enterprise mystique is that the vessel is crewed by Starfleet's finest. Naming every ship Enterprise would only tarnish the vessel's reputation.

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Old June 10 2013, 11:41 PM   #22
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Every Starfleet crew thinks they're the finest in the fleet. Apparently having an incredibly huge ego and mountains of self-confidence is the hallmark of a Starfleet officer. Might explain why so many of the admirals go crazy - they're conditioned to believe that they're the best of the best of the best, and their merely lucky survival from rookie redshirt to egotistical admiral isn't going to diminish their self-confidence.
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Old June 10 2013, 11:52 PM   #23
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Every Starfleet crew thinks they're the finest in the fleet.
But only a single crew actually earns this distinction.

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Apparently having an incredibly huge ego and mountains of self-confidence is the hallmark of a Starfleet officer. Might explain why so many of the admirals go crazy - they're conditioned to believe that they're the best of the best of the best, and their merely lucky survival from rookie redshirt to egotistical admiral isn't going to diminish their self-confidence.
Unless the admiral's name is Kirk. Being chained to a desk nearly killed his self-confidence.

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Old June 11 2013, 12:03 AM   #24
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Every Starfleet crew thinks they're the finest in the fleet.
But only a single crew actually earns this distinction.
Yes, the crew of the Lollipop. It's a good ship.
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Old June 11 2013, 12:17 AM   #25
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Yes, the crew of the Lollipop. It's a good ship.


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Old June 11 2013, 12:32 AM   #26
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When you have a domain that spans near a thousand odd light years 1200 ships is a pretty measly number.

That is a handfull.
We have no idea the strength of the Federation fleet, so we don't know how many that way compared to it.

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Unless the admiral's name is Kirk. Being chained to a desk nearly killed his self-confidence.
That's because he really was the best of the best.
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Old June 11 2013, 12:36 AM   #27
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That's because he really was the best of the best.
If only his hairpiece were the best of the best.

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Old June 11 2013, 10:35 AM   #28
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He doesn't have a hairpiece. Nimoy says so. Did you see how short he has his hair nowadays ?
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Old June 11 2013, 01:57 PM   #29
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We have no idea the strength of the Federation fleet, so we don't know how many that way compared to it.
No but we know it has to be a large fleet because of the federation being large.

Think of all the dutys.

VIP transport and escort
Exploration
Border patrol (must take hundreds or possibly thousands of ships seeing as it borders are huge)
Humanitarian aid and disaster relief.
Diplomatic missions
Anti Piracy and other policing duties
Monitoring and surveying natural phenomenon
Monitoring and spying on local and external threats
Guarding the frontier
Anti Terrorism
Dangerous cargo transport

And remeber ships between dutys are always being refited so there has to be enough in the fleet to cover ships in down time.

So its obvious that starfleet consists of more than a few dozen ships.

The reason you dont see many in TNG is because most the time the Enterprise is off exploring outside the federation or on its frontiers so only a few ships will be nearby.

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Old June 11 2013, 02:12 PM   #30
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He doesn't have a hairpiece. Nimoy says so. Did you see how short he has his hair nowadays ?
He may not have one now, but he clearly had one during the television series and another during the films. How else do you explain the drastic change in his hairstyle before The Motion Picture?

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