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Old June 13 2013, 04:40 AM   #16
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Re: J.J. Abrams Almost Human

It's depressing that people continue to debate about what shows or movies have been financially successful.

Until relatively recently, it wasn't the duty of fans to worry about financial matters except insofar as it directly impinged upon the likelihood of a sequel or another season. But today, scifi and other genre fans act like financial portfolio managers and scrutinize the profits of entertainment properties less like consumers and more like speculators.

In any event, regarding this series the trailer looks quite good. Someone mentioned iRobot, but it also reminds me of Minority Report. Frankly, this looks more fresh than Fringe originally did. Maybe it won't succeed since most sci-fi series don't, but I will likely enjoy it while it's airing.
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Old June 13 2013, 04:42 AM   #17
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It was 4.

Anyhoo, isn't Almost Human the show everyone describes as Alien Nation with robots?
The mismatched partner trope didn't begin with Alien Nation.
Might have been Gilgamesh and Enkidu for that one, though the writer might have cribbed someone, I suppose.
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Old June 13 2013, 04:47 AM   #18
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It's quite a stretch to call Bender an android. He's a bipedal robot, but the term "android" in its science-fiction usage traditionally refers to something more human-looking, particularly something that can pass for human or nearly so.
It means manlike. He looks like a man to me. I tend to see androids as robots which recognizably ape human design - two arms, two legs, etc.

In short C-3PO is an android, but R2-D2 is not.
A andriod is an automation that resembles a human. Both C-3PO and Bender don't resemble a human, they are only bipedal robots.
Vicki, Daryl, Data and Rommie are Andriods.
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Old June 13 2013, 02:37 PM   #19
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It means manlike. He looks like a man to me. I tend to see androids as robots which recognizably ape human design - two arms, two legs, etc.

In short C-3PO is an android, but R2-D2 is not.
Well, that definition may work for you, but you'll find very few others, particularly science fiction writers, who agree with you. Brave New Worlds: The Oxford Dictionary of Science Fiction defines it as "an artificial being that resembles a human in form, especially one made from a flesh-like material (as opposed to metal or plastic)." It's often been used in SF to refer to synthetic humans who were organic in origin.

The distinction between metallic-looking robots and human-looking androids dates back to the Captain Future pulp adventures of Edmond Hamilton. Captain Future's sidekicks included Grag, a 7-foot-tall "metal man" who was humanoid in shape (like C3PO), and Otho, an "android or artificial man" who looked just like a human being. Otho referred to Grag as a "robot" to drive home that he was not an android like Otho, because despite his manlike body plan he had a metallic, mechanical appearance. Most SF has followed that precedent ever since: that a generally hominid-shaped robot doesn't qualify as an android unless it has a fleshy appearance and humanlike features. C3PO is not an android any more than Grag was; he's just a bipedal robot. Data is an android. A Terminator (with fleshy disguise) is an android. Even a Blade Runner replicant can be called an android, since the term can encompass organic artificial humans. And Rommie, as mentioned above, is a good example. Andromeda had hundreds of hard-shelled humanoid drones called "Marias" (due to their resemblance to the character from Metropolis), but they were called robots, or Maria-bots. Only the one that was modified to look like Lexa Doig, the one who adopted the name Rommie, was referred to as an android. (Although strictly speaking she was a gynoid.)

But Bender is not even as human-shaped as C3PO. Sure, he's got an upright body with two arms, two legs, and a head on top, but his body is a metal cylinder, his head is a domed cylinder with an antenna on top and a protruding attachment on the front for his eyes, his limbs are thin flexible tubes, his feet are round cups, and his hands are blunt metallic pincers. That's not looking like a man. Gunther the chimp looks more like a man than Bender does.

(Of course, one notable exception to the rule is Marvin the Paranoid Android from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, who's very much mechanical in appearance. But then, that epithet seems to have been chosen more for alliteration than anything else. And let's not even get into George Lucas's sloppy coinage of "droid.")
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Old June 13 2013, 02:49 PM   #20
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Gov Kodos wrote: View Post
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It was 4.

Anyhoo, isn't Almost Human the show everyone describes as Alien Nation with robots?
The mismatched partner trope didn't begin with Alien Nation.
Might have been Gilgamesh and Enkidu for that one, though the writer might have cribbed someone, I suppose.
Ah, a Darmok reference.

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Old June 13 2013, 03:00 PM   #21
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Might have been Gilgamesh and Enkidu for that one, though the writer might have cribbed someone, I suppose.
"He's a prehistoric bipedal hunter who can make fire. She's a wolf whose keen senses can detect approaching predators. Together, they fight crime. And mammoths."
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Old November 17 2013, 09:54 PM   #22
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This premieres tonight and tomorrow on my local channel. Looking forward to it.
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Old November 17 2013, 10:36 PM   #23
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Anyhoo, isn't Almost Human the show everyone describes as Alien Nation with robots?
No, Almost Human is Total Recall 2070... in daylight!
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Old November 17 2013, 10:43 PM   #24
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Ten to one, Urban's character is an android himself and doesn't know it.

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Old November 17 2013, 11:22 PM   #25
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And now I'm picturing a CSI style investigation scene with all the characters describing everything with Darmok style metaphors. "Temba, his arms closed, his eyes covered." "Zinda, his face black, his eyes red."
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Old November 17 2013, 11:27 PM   #26
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Ten to one, Urban's character is an android himself and doesn't know it.
I doubt it.
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Ok even though I have my qualms about JJ, I think this looks watchable. I'll tune in and judge later.
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Old November 18 2013, 12:40 AM   #28
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Ten to one, Urban's character is an android himself and doesn't know it.
He has a bionic limb that he isn't happy about having (much like Will Smith's character in I, Robot). Presumably he and his doctors are able to tell the difference between it and his organic parts.
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Old November 18 2013, 03:01 AM   #29
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Minka Kelly is in this. yay

Not a great show so far, but I like the aesthetic. It is indeed reminiscent of I, Robot and Minority Report. And I did like that scene where Urban threw the android out of the car. Reminded me of Mal kicking the guy into the engine on Firefly. It also looks like an arc is developing but I'm still indifferent.
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Not great but not bad. I'm not sold on Michael Ealy or his rapport with Urban, but yeah, Minka Kelly is gorgeous, and so is Mekia Cox. (I'm also not sold on Urban's attempt at an American accent. I wish they'd just let his character be a New Zealand native.)

I like the premise of a world made more dangerous by the rapid emergence of powerful new technologies; it reminds me of my own Only Superhuman. Although it looks like it's going to be more of a violent, shoot-em-up cop show than I'd prefer. And I am so sick of scenes of protagonists beating up prisoners to interrogate them. Torture is not an effective means of interrogation, and I wish TV and movies would get that through their heads.

I like the ethnic diversity in the casting, and the suggestions of cultural diversity in the setting. I hope the show keeps it up. The futurism is interesting so far, but it has some credibility issues. For instance, I have a very hard time believing that combat-model androids wouldn't be hardened against EMP, or whatever kind of signal was used to shut them down. The explanation about Dorian being on a different "frequency" made it even more implausible; presumably you'd build combat androids to have individual operating "frequencies" so that a signal couldn't shut them all down simultaneously.

I noted that the pilot was credited solely to J.H. Wyman, both as scriptwriter and creator. Usually Abrams co-creates Bad Robot shows and co-writes and directs the pilots -- or at least he used to -- but here his only credit seems to be executive producer. I guess he's so busy with movies now that he's not as involved with BR's TV productions.
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