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Old June 11 2013, 04:03 PM   #31
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Re: Which species from Trek do you most identify with?

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^^^ The bowl cuts and shoulder pads ruin it for me.
I don't care for that look either. I prefer the Romulans as they were in The Original Series.

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Old June 11 2013, 05:13 PM   #32
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Re: Which species from Trek do you most identify with?

Denobulans. I enjoy their sense of community and family, their curiosity, and their sense of humor. I love Dr. Phlox's character, and if he were a real person, I imagine I would really enjoy talking with him.
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Old June 11 2013, 05:22 PM   #33
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Pakleds - I need things to make me go.
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Old June 11 2013, 05:29 PM   #34
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. . . My first Trek costume in early 1980 was a therefore a no-brainer. And a huge challenge. A friend's grandmother donated the white wig, which were impossible to buy in Sydney in 1980. (All I could find were judge's wigs.)

That's a great outfit. How did you make the antennae?
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Old June 12 2013, 12:50 AM   #35
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Romulan commanders weren't evil because they were promoted. They were promoted because they were evil.

Being ruthlessly cold and calculating, and absolutely loyal to your superiors and a government that worked solely for cultural expansion at the expense of civilian prosperity was the only way to get a high ranking government job. It was the sort of government where anybody who opposed the party got secretly disappeared.

On Earth, well, depends what company you work for. Some companies promote based on competence, some based on politics, and some based on how good you are at keeping your illegal behavior secret. If you earned your promotion and aren't dumping chemicals into rivers or buying companies for the sole purpose of selling off their assets, you're fine.

The argument 'A Romulan's first duty is to the government' is the same as saying 'The CEO's first duty is to the shareholders'. It's technically correct but it doesn't excuse the immoral, harmful behavior it's invoked to justify.
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Old June 12 2013, 12:55 AM   #36
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Betazoid/Vulcan hybrid.

I'm often confused about my feelings and always torn between logic and my emotions.

Oh and I really love the Trill people...maybe since I'm so confused...Joined Trill would also do! Also I feel like I could go in so many directions at once, am interested in so many things...kind of like Ezri was when she became joined only not as annoying....I hope...

I'm like Ezri when she goes to the replicator...can't make a freakin' decision.
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Old June 12 2013, 01:30 AM   #37
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Romulan commanders weren't evil because they were promoted. They were promoted because they were evil.
I doubt the Romulans would see it that way. And there are several instances of honorable men and women earning high-ranking positions within the Romulan military or government.

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Being ruthlessly cold and calculating, and absolutely loyal to your superiors and a government that worked solely for cultural expansion at the expense of civilian prosperity was the only way to get a high ranking government job. It was the sort of government where anybody who opposed the party got secretly disappeared.
I'm not sure the Romulans were interested in cultural expansion or conquest, at least not in the twenty fourth century. Rarely are they seen attempting to take territory away from an enemy. On the contrary, they adopt more of an isolationist stance, protecting their borders from outsiders. They even sign a non-aggression pact with the Dominion in order to avoid committing their military to war.

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The argument 'A Romulan's first duty is to the government' is the same as saying 'The CEO's first duty is to the shareholders'. It's technically correct but it doesn't excuse the immoral, harmful behavior it's invoked to justify.
Maybe not. I still don't see what that has to do with my admiration for certain aspects of their culture. No one has provided an answer to that question.

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Old June 12 2013, 02:44 AM   #38
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I thought long about this question but I got to say Humans. Intuitive, striving to do ones best, a fascination with exploration and space, and even learning through trial and error.

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Old June 12 2013, 03:10 AM   #39
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Maybe not. I still don't see what that has to do with my admiration for certain aspects of their culture. No one has provided an answer to that question.

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Your admiration is for their devotion to duty and country, but what I'm trying to point out is that to have that devotion they have to turn a blind eye to their harsh intolerance of dissent. There's devotion and there's blind devotion. Garak understood the difference, but we've only seen a handful of Romulans who did.

And there are plenty of times the Romulans have tried to acquire territory. They spent season three trying to provoke war with the Federation in a manner that the Federation could appear the aggressors, they tried to invade Vulcan incompetently, and I share Sisko's doubts that they left Benzite after the Dominion War was over. They've also got a fairly large Empire that they couldn't have built up without conquering a ton of planets inside their borders. They were clever conquerers, but they were clearly conquerers. Make no mistake that there are probably dozens of Bajors inside their borders.
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Old June 12 2013, 03:18 AM   #40
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Your admiration is for their devotion to duty and country, but what I'm trying to point out is that to have that devotion they have to turn a blind eye to their harsh intolerance of dissent. There's devotion and there's blind devotion. Garak understood the difference, but we've only seen a handful of Romulans who did.
Thank you for your thoughtful answer! The handful of Romulans who understood the difference are the reason I admire their people. Their society is a work in progress, but the potential for something greater is there.

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...and I share Sisko's doubts that they left Benzite after the Dominion War was over.
Was it Sisko or Odo who said that? I vaguely remember Odo making a comment that amused Kira to no end during that discussion.

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Old June 13 2013, 05:27 AM   #41
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Denobulans. I enjoy their sense of community and family, their curiosity, and their sense of humor. I love Dr. Phlox's character, and if he were a real person, I imagine I would really enjoy talking with him.
Love the sentiment behind your post, but (in reference to your sig) why mistrust a Vulcan? They are incapable of lying.
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Old June 13 2013, 02:33 PM   #42
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why mistrust a Vulcan? They are incapable of lying.
Vulcans are perfectly capable of lying, provided there is a logical reason for why the lie is needed. Spock has told the occasional lie, and Tuvok was on an undercover mission when Voyager began.
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Old June 13 2013, 02:58 PM   #43
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Vulcans are perfectly capable of lying, provided there is a logical reason for why the lie is needed. Spock has told the occasional lie, and Tuvok was on an undercover mission when Voyager began.
Correct. Vulcans are able to justify this because they deem it both logical and necessary to follow the orders of a superior officer.

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Old June 17 2013, 07:22 AM   #44
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Understood. So, if you are not an enemy of the Vulcan's superior officer, you can easily trust him. Otherwise, you might not be able to confidently trust the green-blooded. But why "NEVER trust a Vulcan"? Rather, only mistrust a Vulcan when his superior's interests are at odds with your own.
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Old June 17 2013, 10:01 AM   #45
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I've identified with Vulcans ever since the original Trek was on NBC back in the '60s. I tend to be reserved and aloof, and I don't like to show emotion. I can also be a pedantic asshole sometimes.
Pretty much this. Well, I wasn't born yet when the original series was first on, but other than that... I've been called cold and unemotional, and on another message board people used to call me "Spock" (without even knowing I watched Star Trek) because of this tendency.
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