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Old June 10 2013, 03:16 PM   #16
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Re: Where's the Main Computer in STID?

They knew how dangerous Khan was, and were sent to apprehend him, anything else could wait. And he already implied his past was secret and around 300 past, hardly fitting to waste time in Klingon space trolling for files that likely weren't even there.

And the Warp core was damaged, Scotty's little animated diagnostic station couldn't give them a straight answer and it was hardwired into the core and its subsystems directly, a library database isn't going to help.

Beside's, the one time the thing speaks is through a cyborg who can only muster "major damage, Captain" several minutes after the ship is sitting in a cloud of its own debris, no shit tin man.
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Old June 10 2013, 03:45 PM   #17
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Re: Where's the Main Computer in STID?

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Why would you store information about every single event in Earth history in the main computer of a Starship?
I guess you never know when it would come in handy? Obviously it did several times. And yeah, you could always say that such information could be stored elsewhere, but then that assumes that such information could always be accessed.

I think the idea was that computers had such ridiculous amounts of storage space in the future that you could store all that you wanted on there without any problem. Did you know that you could store the compressed text of all the Wikipedia articles in just 9 GB? I have a memory stick I could fit that onto, so wouldn't it at least make sense to just bring that along?
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Old June 10 2013, 04:05 PM   #18
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Heh, maybe Marcus had all identifying information concerning Khan purged from Starfleet's databanks.
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Old June 10 2013, 05:42 PM   #19
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Re: Where's the Main Computer in STID?

It did strike me as a little odd, yes. But this crew seems to fly by the seat of its pants much more than the TOS crew. Have they ever conversed with the main computer in Abrams Trek?
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Old June 10 2013, 05:52 PM   #20
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Also, it allowed for a Nimoy cameo instead (regardless of how one feels about that, consulting the computer would have obviated the need for the cameo).
Not necessarily. I think someone else says in the thread that Spock Prime gives them information different from that which a computer would have given.

(And for the record, just about anything would have been better than the cameo, which has the silliest, most obvious exchange ever. Hey, Spock - what do you know about this guy? *sigh* Spock, I told you I couldn't tell you anything. But watch out! He's a badass! *Cue "He's a badass" music*)

Generally, in TOS, a consultation with the ship's computer for information takes up all of 10-15 seconds of screen time to proivde a bit of exposition which adds significantly to the world building, establish a certain tone - and give the characters a springboard to further action (as any good exposition does). And I'm not even saying they had to stop and ask the computer on screen, Spock could have a bit of dialogue where he says "Historical records indicate...." but it felt a little strange to have this superman drop that he was a war criminal and no one seems the slightest bit interested in finding out for what crimes he was exiled in which war.

I bring all this up because the friend I went with, a total non-Trekkie, was very confused by the fact that the movie never fills in those facts. He was asking - what war are they talking about? What did that guy do? Why was he in space if it was 300 years before 2259, which would make it 1959 when he did whatever he did?
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Old June 10 2013, 07:05 PM   #21
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Every one of the series, not just TOS, had the crew being shown doing research with the computer. I mentioned earlier that Spock and Kirk had done research with the computer, and their results were mentioned in a few lines of dialog.
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Old June 10 2013, 07:24 PM   #22
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"Where's the Main Computer in STID?"

It is home, washing its tights!

The characters seemed to know all they needed to know without it, and if they did access it to get said info then I am glad they didn't bog down the pacing by showing us those events. As has been said computers aren't new, the novelty has worn off and I appreciated the producers get that.
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Old June 10 2013, 07:51 PM   #23
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As has been said computers aren't new, the novelty has worn off and I appreciated the producers get that.
Yep. It's like the use of communicators as if they're cellular phones in this movie - given the current immersion of the movie-going audience in this kind of consumer technology, treated those flip-boxes as if they're exotic tech or having them function in some way very dissimilar from phones would simply be a distraction.
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Old June 10 2013, 09:28 PM   #24
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Also, it allowed for a Nimoy cameo instead (regardless of how one feels about that, consulting the computer would have obviated the need for the cameo).
Not necessarily. I think someone else says in the thread that Spock Prime gives them information different from that which a computer would have given.
That was me.

(And for the record, just about anything would have been better than the cameo, which has the silliest, most obvious exchange ever. Hey, Spock - what do you know about this guy? *sigh* Spock, I told you I couldn't tell you anything. But watch out! He's a badass! *Cue "He's a badass" music*)
I found it pretty "meh" but if I had to choose between that and a talking computer console, I'd go with Nimoy.

Generally, in TOS, a consultation with the ship's computer for information takes up all of 10-15 seconds of screen time to proivde a bit of exposition which adds significantly to the world building, establish a certain tone - and give the characters a springboard to further action (as any good exposition does). And I'm not even saying they had to stop and ask the computer on screen, Spock could have a bit of dialogue where he says "Historical records indicate...." but it felt a little strange to have this superman drop that he was a war criminal and no one seems the slightest bit interested in finding out for what crimes he was exiled in which war.

I bring all this up because the friend I went with, a total non-Trekkie, was very confused by the fact that the movie never fills in those facts. He was asking - what war are they talking about? What did that guy do? Why was he in space if it was 300 years before 2259, which would make it 1959 when he did whatever he did?
I can see some confusion, I suppose, but as to the 300 hundred years--if someone is 300 years old, isn't it unlikely they did anything of note in the year of their birth?
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Old June 10 2013, 10:20 PM   #25
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Yhe plaza was where computer cores normally go. We will probably see a real server farm (on one saucer deck) in future movies
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Old June 10 2013, 10:53 PM   #26
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One thing I wish they would do is let the computer drop them out of warp. Sulu does it manually!

A millionth of a second off would make them crash in to Titan or wherever they're flying to.
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Heh, maybe Marcus had all identifying information concerning Khan purged from Starfleet's databanks.
Not likely. That would've been as much a "red flag" to anyone interested in computer hacking as seeing Khan undisguised on the street would be to history buffs specializing in (particular aspects of) the late 20th Century.

It would have drawn Undue Attention.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:28 AM   #28
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One thing I wish they would do is let the computer drop them out of warp. Sulu does it manually!

A millionth of a second off would make them crash in to Titan or wherever they're flying to.
TOS is full of that. In the episode where they went back in time and had to beam the 20th century people back into their bodies and they were moving back in time rapidly Kirk manually gave the order to beam them back. Then Scotty or whoever did it delayed a couple of seconds (for dramatic effect). That could have been a couple of hours difference the way they were accelerating through time. It really needed exact timing there. There's no way the computer wouldn't have to plot that out. Still its not as cool getting the computer to do it.
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Old June 12 2013, 08:31 AM   #29
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As has been said computers aren't new, the novelty has worn off and I appreciated the producers get that.
Yep. It's like the use of communicators as if they're cellular phones in this movie - given the current immersion of the movie-going audience in this kind of consumer technology, treated those flip-boxes as if they're exotic tech or having them function in some way very dissimilar from phones would simply be a distraction.
I really liked that, especially showing Pike receiving a 'text message' about the meeting, it made sense and showed the designers original intent that there would be a screen inside the flip part.
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Old June 12 2013, 12:20 PM   #30
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Re: Where's the Main Computer in STID?

The best use of a Talking Computer.

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