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Old June 11 2013, 04:47 PM   #46
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Re: Voyager accidentally presided over the franchise’s decline

So I've had a lie floating around in my head for 10 years taking space I could have put porn.

Now I'm depressed.
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Old June 11 2013, 05:28 PM   #47
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So I've had a lie floating around in my head for 10 years taking space I could have put porn.

Now I'm depressed.
Hey man, at least you found out so you can replace it NOW. Better late than never.
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Old June 11 2013, 06:34 PM   #48
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Here we are 8 years after Enterprise ended and 12 years after Voyager, and people STILL complain. How does a show you supposedly never watched because you hated it, ruin Star Trek for you? Another thing I don't get is people who thought Voyager or Enterprise was so bad, yet continued to watch. Why did you continue to watch?
I don't hate any Trek. But I found myself losing interest during Deep Space Nine's run (like many folks did according to the ratings). These days I pretty much focus on TOS, TOS films, early TNG and the Abrams films. There are only so many hours in a day.
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Old June 11 2013, 06:38 PM   #49
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^and that disinterest continued amongest the audiance thru VOY and ENT. So instead of thinking this isn't working let's try something differen. They kept to the same old same old.
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Old June 11 2013, 06:44 PM   #50
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^and that disinterest continued amongest the audiance thru VOY and ENT. So instead of thinking this isn't working let's try something differen. They kept to the same old same old.
I think Paramount's biggest flaw was having Berman run everything with a Trek label. Each show and the movie franchise should've had their own creative teams including the Executive Producers and taken place in different time periods.
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Old June 11 2013, 10:48 PM   #51
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ER and Friends did well, but they were on major networks way back in the early to mid 1990s when broadcast television was still big and not gone through the slowly steady decline of the 2000s, where even CSI franchise (the last of the megahits alongside NCIS, IMO) is now struggling quite a bit on CBS.
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Old June 12 2013, 12:36 AM   #52
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ER and Friends did well, but they were on major networks way back in the early to mid 1990s when broadcast television was still big and not gone through the slowly steady decline of the 2000s, where even CSI franchise (the last of the megahits alongside NCIS, IMO) is now struggling quite a bit on CBS.
Both ER and Friends ran concurrently with DS9, from season 3 on, and all of Voyager, so I'm not sure what your point has to do with the topic at hand.
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Old June 12 2013, 12:56 AM   #53
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I think Paramount's biggest flaw was having Berman run everything with a Trek label. Each show and the movie franchise should've had their own creative teams including the Executive Producers and taken place in different time periods.
^ This. Until 1991 the Trek franchise was effectively under two stewardships, the "movie guys" and the "TV guys". The decision to dovetail The Next Generation into movie theaters meant that the TV guys were suddenly in charge of movies while still being in charge of TV. In my opinion Rick Berman got overstretched beyond his competency zone.

(Not to say he couldn't handle it -- clearly he did -- but more than his overall attention-to-detail on each individual sliver of the franchise was bound to take a tumble.)

As for on-topic, that's quite a good article the OP found and it manages to articulate a lot of the reasons why Voyager was actually pretty good despite not being allowed to perhaps reach the full potential of it's premise. It seems to me the article does quite a bit of defending Voyager, despite it's title.
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Old June 12 2013, 01:33 PM   #54
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I think Paramount's biggest flaw was having Berman run everything with a Trek label. Each show and the movie franchise should've had their own creative teams including the Executive Producers and taken place in different time periods.
^ This. Until 1991 the Trek franchise was effectively under two stewardships, the "movie guys" and the "TV guys". The decision to dovetail The Next Generation into movie theaters meant that the TV guys were suddenly in charge of movies while still being in charge of TV. In my opinion Rick Berman got overstretched beyond his competency zone.

(Not to say he couldn't handle it -- clearly he did -- but more than his overall attention-to-detail on each individual sliver of the franchise was bound to take a tumble.)

As for on-topic, that's quite a good article the OP found and it manages to articulate a lot of the reasons why Voyager was actually pretty good despite not being allowed to perhaps reach the full potential of it's premise. It seems to me the article does quite a bit of defending Voyager, despite it's title.
He handled it pretty well for 4 films and 2 1/2 shows. Generations, First Contact and Insurrection are fine, only Nemesis sucks. And had Nemesis NOT sucked, nobody would bitch about Insurrection.

Let's see how well Abrams' 3rd and 4th Trek film will be received.
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Old June 12 2013, 04:20 PM   #55
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I started bitching about Insurrection the day I first saw it on home video. It's the only film that I actively chose not to see in the theaters because it looked so poor.

I'd rather watch Nemesis any day of the week.
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Old June 12 2013, 07:31 PM   #56
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Of course, there's always the possibility that originally "Threshold" was even worse, and that the episode we know is the one that resulted from some time meddler, so there goes that theory.
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Old June 12 2013, 11:36 PM   #57
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Let's see how well Abrams' 3rd and 4th Trek film will be received.
Will there be a fourth film?

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Old June 12 2013, 11:41 PM   #58
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As long as everyone who is important is making money, everyone who works for a living will be allowed to work for a living.
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Old June 13 2013, 12:28 AM   #59
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As long as everyone who is important is making money, everyone who works for a living will be allowed to work for a living.
And if the third film makes no money?

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Old June 13 2013, 12:45 AM   #60
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By my calculations the Star Trek franchise has aired 30 cumulative seasons worth of material. This is not including the movies which continue to be produced. How is this a failure? After 30 seasons, you might expect to see some decline in interest, maybe not among people like ourselves, but in the general public, yes. Even if the franchise is over (which maybe it isn't) it had a good run. Instead of pointing the finger at shows like Voyager or Enterprise, we might remember that the Trek franchise is one of the most long-lasting in television history, and shows like DS9, VOY and ENT actually CONTRIBUTED to that long run, not detracted from it.
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