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Old June 10 2013, 09:32 AM   #16
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Re: Voyager accidentally presided over the franchise’s decline

I rarely watch DS9 without it being a complete rewatch because of the arcs.

VOY's double eps are as good as a movie, I've watched all of those many times. And ENT's double and triple eps in season 4 I've rewatched a lot as well.
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Old June 10 2013, 10:49 AM   #17
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DS9 and Voyager cannibalized each others ratings in the US.
How did they do that? DS9 was syndicated, and VOY was on the UPN network.
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Old June 10 2013, 08:11 PM   #18
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Re: Voyager accidentally presided over the franchise’s decline

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Why the high score for ENT, by the way? I threw out most of seasons 1&2,
Literally?

I like it as foreshadowing. The best foreshadowing is the stuff you shove in their yourself because it wasn't written that way.
No, just figuratively.
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Old June 10 2013, 08:43 PM   #19
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Also I think it was a mistake to ditch the ensemble focus half way through the series. TOS always had the big three, but one of my complaints with that series was that rest of the crew was background noise most of the time. It might have worked when that show aired, but modern Trek needed an entire crew. There was no need to keep characters like Harry Kim so underdeveloped just so we could get more Seven of Nine episodes.
Agreed, but I think the larger mistake was always focusing so purely on the senior staff plus Doctor/Kes/Neelix/7 at all. Earlier shows could get away with having the rest of the crew be mere background extras, but both VOY and ENT should have had a lot more "Lower Decks"-type interaction with the rest of their crews.

As it is, even the good VOY eps tend to have what I like to call a "Sitcom Trek Voyager" feel, for just that reason.
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Old June 11 2013, 02:09 AM   #20
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DS9 and Voyager cannibalized each others ratings in the US.
How did they do that? DS9 was syndicated, and VOY was on the UPN network.
I think that was his point. In some markets, DS9 and Voyager went up against each other. That wouldn't happen if they were on the same network.
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Old June 11 2013, 02:41 AM   #21
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Re: Voyager accidentally presided over the franchise’s decline

% skip episodes, IMO:

TOS season 1-2: 50%
(Have not seen season 3)

TNG season 1-2: 75%
TNG season 3-6: 20%
TNG season 7: 30%

DS9: 30%

Voyager season 1-3: 60%
Voyager season 4-7: 40%

Enterprise season 1-2: 90%
Enterprise season 3: 40%
Enterprise season 4: 5%*

*This does not mean I think it is the best season of Star Trek. It just means it has the higher proportion of episodes that are C or higher.
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Old June 11 2013, 02:42 AM   #22
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It's only a question of language.

Threw out can mean:

A. I put the dvds/vhs in the garbage.

B. I sold the dvds/vhs.

C. I gave the dvds/vhs away to poor friends with no taste, or children I am related to.

Really?

You literally put two seasons of Enterprise in the Garbage inbetween the spent coffee grounds and expired meat produce?

GAHDZOOKS!

I can imagine that you came back from a fishing trip and your wife has put all your Star Trek Bollocks on the side of the road for your own good, and then I can't imagine you giving that entirely not mentally ill woman a hug for looking after your emotional well being so kindly.

Don't look at me like that, YOU married her.
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Old June 11 2013, 08:15 AM   #23
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Don't you have like, a gazillion comics?
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Old June 11 2013, 08:22 AM   #24
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No tubes in my house unless they can double as jacuzzis.
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Old June 11 2013, 08:37 AM   #25
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Don't you have like, a gazillion comics?
Now.

But this insane purge was nearly 20 years go when I was in knee socks.

Everything that was, has been rebuilt and expanded upon.

5 years ago I "evolved" into a digital pirate which is why I still have room to breath in my bedroom... And money to eat. Digital comics do not count towards the population of my collection, but I still have maybe 60 thousandish real physical comic books, and I smack any one who says that I should sell them.

The more you know.
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Old June 11 2013, 09:15 AM   #26
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I once knew someone who threw away ALL his comics because Jesus told him to. I inherited a few piles of them towards the end but he assured me all the really satanic ones were now pulp in a tip. That poor guy.. he used to talk (endlessly) about how he'd given them up like he was at a narcotics anonymous meeting. Eventually was diagnosed with schizophrenia. He also had a girlfriend for a while whom he was infatuated with who left him to become a nun which also made a very good story he would tell people (he had a sense of humour about that one).
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Old June 11 2013, 10:07 AM   #27
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If your missus is going to step out on you for another bloke, not the worst eskimo brother to have.
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Old June 11 2013, 11:34 AM   #28
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Re: Voyager accidentally presided over the franchise’s decline

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Deep Space Nine and the TNG movies share equal "blame"

Personally, I couldn't give a shit about ratings or finger pointing. I very much enjoyed Voyager (and to a lesser extent, DS9)
What was wrong with DS 9?

Best Trek ever.
So very true!

DS9 dared to be different and did it very well, with long-running arcs and proper character development. Trek started to go downhill during VOY's run, with the latter two poorly thought out TNG films continuing the demise, then came ENT just to really screw things up.
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Old June 11 2013, 11:48 AM   #29
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If your missus is going to step out on you for another bloke, not the worst eskimo brother to have.
Jesus IS the perfect eskimo brother.

You're just so smart.
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Old June 11 2013, 11:49 AM   #30
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Re: Voyager accidentally presided over the franchise’s decline

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Deep Space Nine and the TNG movies share equal "blame"

Personally, I couldn't give a shit about ratings or finger pointing. I very much enjoyed Voyager (and to a lesser extent, DS9)
What was wrong with DS 9?

Best Trek ever.
So very true!

DS9 dared to be different and did it very well, with long-running arcs and proper character development. Trek started to go downhill during VOY's run, with the latter two poorly thought out TNG films continuing the demise, then came ENT just to really screw things up.
Everything you said is wrong.

Oh except for the bit about Nemesis
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