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Old July 30 2013, 02:24 PM   #91
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Interesting. Do you have a copy of that?
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Old July 31 2013, 01:09 AM   #92
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Interesting. Do you have a copy of that?
No, it's an original.
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Old July 31 2013, 05:52 AM   #93
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Interesting. Do you have a copy of that?
No, it's an original.
I would assume Harvey means do you have a digital copy it (i.e. is it scanned and available for viewing somewhere)?
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Old July 31 2013, 08:17 AM   #94
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Is he, though? I always understood that the registry number 1701 was indeed inspired by the the mention of "17:01" at the start of Forbidden Planet. So that's only a coincidence then?
I read somewhere that 1701 was part of the registration number of MJ's airplane.
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Old July 31 2013, 02:54 PM   #95
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I read somewhere that 1701 was part of the registration number of MJ's airplane.
I think that's an urban myth. Jefferies has explained that he chose the number because it read more clearly on camera than other numbers.
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Old July 31 2013, 11:20 PM   #96
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Interesting. Do you have a copy of that?
No, it's an original.
I would assume Harvey means do you have a digital copy it (i.e. is it scanned and available for viewing somewhere)?
Ah, sorry, I misunderstood the question(s). No, it is not, and I won't post the brochure on the intertube. After recently having a number of my web-posted photos, that I had originally purchased and restored for the TOS fans, harvested and included in a for-profit book series, I've decided that I won't be doing that sort of thing anymore. Sorry, but I guess that's the law of unintended consequences.

Please, accept my word that what I said about the second season brochure is correct.
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Old August 1 2013, 01:31 AM   #97
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After recently having a number of my web-posted photos, that I had originally purchased and restored for the TOS fans, harvested and included in a for-profit book series, I've decided that I won't be doing that sort of thing anymore. Sorry, but I guess that's the law of unintended consequences.
Wow that's really not okay, sorry to hear that. Your site even puts all the photos inside a Flash animation that floats a watermark over it. How could they get it unmolested?
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Old August 1 2013, 03:05 AM   #98
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Ah, sorry, I misunderstood the question(s). No, it is not, and I won't post the brochure on the intertube. After recently having a number of my web-posted photos, that I had originally purchased and restored for the TOS fans, harvested and included in a for-profit book series, I've decided that I won't be doing that sort of thing anymore. Sorry, but I guess that's the law of unintended consequences.
This is shameful, full stop. I assume you're talking about a certain book coming out in August. Have you contacted the publisher?

Please, accept my word that what I said about the second season brochure is correct.
Of course. I have updated my post with the following text:

Star Trek History contributor and TrekBBS user alchemist has a copy of the sales brochure in question. He informs me that it was used to promote the show's second season, and features a publicity photo of William Shatner holding the phaser rifle, along with a behind-the-scenes photograph taken during the production of 'Catspaw.'
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Old August 1 2013, 05:22 AM   #99
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After recently having a number of my web-posted photos, that I had originally purchased and restored for the TOS fans, harvested and included in a for-profit book series, I've decided that I won't be doing that sort of thing anymore. Sorry, but I guess that's the law of unintended consequences.
Wow that's really not okay, sorry to hear that. Your site even puts all the photos inside a Flash animation that floats a watermark over it. How could they get it unmolested?
Multiple screenshots, where the watermark is in different places, stitched together.

It's sucky that people do that, especially in a for-profit work like a book.
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Old August 2 2013, 11:59 PM   #100
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I read somewhere that 1701 was part of the registration number of MJ's airplane.
I think that's an urban myth. Jefferies has explained that he chose the number because it read more clearly on camera than other numbers.
From the film Forbidden Planet (link to scene)

The line:
Navigator: "Ship on course sir. We'll reach De-'C' point at 1701..."

(Should put to rest any claims they were not influenced consciously or sub-consciously by the film when GR was creating/producing 'Star Trek'. )
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Old August 3 2013, 12:08 AM   #101
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I always figured "D-C" was shorthand for "deceleration."

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Old August 3 2013, 12:22 AM   #102
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De-C could just mean dropping below lightspeed (which would fit with them having to get into their little glowy shocktubes.)
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Old August 3 2013, 04:27 PM   #103
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I read somewhere that 1701 was part of the registration number of MJ's airplane.
I think that's an urban myth. Jefferies has explained that he chose the number because it read more clearly on camera than other numbers.
From the film Forbidden Planet (link to scene)

The line:
Navigator: "Ship on course sir. We'll reach De-'C' point at 1701..."

(Should put to rest any claims they were not influenced consciously or sub-consciously by the film when GR was creating/producing 'Star Trek'. )
First off, that's a non sequitur, because the rumor you're responding to was about Matt Jefferies's airplane and had nothing to do with Forbidden Planet.

Second, it doesn't put a thing to rest, because similarity does not even remotely prove direct influence. Coincidences happen all the time. That's why we have the word "coincidence." Lots of movies and TV shows have 4-digit numbers, so it's not at all unlikely for two different productions to independently use the same 4-digit number by pure chance. It must happen all the time, therefore merely pointing out that it has happened demonstrates absolutely nothing about whether there was any causal relationship.
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Old August 5 2013, 10:28 AM   #104
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Of course, the whole "1701" business could be a case of cryptonesia. Matt Jefferies suggested it and Gene liked it because it "rang a bell".

Jefferies' Waco plane had a registry starting with "17". There had been some debate whether he got the plane prior or after his work for Star Trek. Back in those days, could you just pick the registry or make a request the authorities would listen to (considering it was the Enterprise's designer making this request)?

Already the narration at the beginning of "Forbidden Planet" is clear evidence, that Roddenberry borrowed from it, IMHO. But I can't find fault with that.

In the early 1970's, the production design in films like "Silent Running" or "Dark Star" were apparently trying to claim "we are the same league as 2001" (or making fun of it), so I'd say that Roddenberry also wanted to claim or suggest that Star Trek is the same league as "Forbidden Planet".

The only thing I still don't like, is that both pilots ("The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before") were just too derivative regarding the plot.

In "The Cage" we had an alien civilization that devastated the surface of their planet and had to relocate underground.

Yawn...the Krell in "Forbidden Planet" had accomplished the same plus eliminating themselves (interestingly, the mutants in "Planet of the Apes" look like they are descendants of the Talosians. Wonder how Roddenberry must have felt getting a taste of his own "medicine" ).

Then we have "Where No Man Has Gone Before" where we have a human being whose only difference to Dr. Mobius in "Forbidden Planet" is that he is consciously aware of his god-like powers (Yawn again).

For me it's still a great thing that with the first regular episode produced ("The Corbomite Maneuver") TOS had found its own and unique style (in comparison it took TNG one or two seasons before they truly accomplished to cut the umbilical cord to TOS).

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Old August 6 2013, 12:31 AM   #105
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I'm working a lot of hours the next couple of weeks, so two (shorter) posts today:

Star Trek's First (Associate) Producer

The Evolution of 'Space Seed' (this is mostly a reccomendation of John Tenuto and Maria Jose's excellent research being posted at the official Star Trek website, but I've added a few excerpts from the de Forest Research report for 'Space Seed' to make it worth reading)
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