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Old July 20 2013, 01:12 PM   #76
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^But the idea was that the ship itself had the intelligence to do that, that it was closer to a living organism than a mindless machine, even if it wasn't fully self-aware.
A little like the Liberator in Blake's 7 (among many other possible influences, aside from independent inspiration, but that was the current-ish one, as the series was just getting its first US runs around that time).

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The idea that was talked about in the early TNG development material was "Technology Unchained," the idea that technology had become so advanced as to be all but invisible and effortless to use. Which is why the TNG bridge originally looked more like a conference lounge than a computer center.

The problem was that technology so advanced that it never goes wrong didn't make for good action-adventure storytelling. They needed things to break down, and so they needed someone to fix them.
Which B7 got round through the ship and its auto-repair systems being alien, with their own priorities, so they wouldn't necessarily put the crew's interests first (and sometimes even got actively hostile to crew interference). But for a Starfleet vessel that's not a plot option (but ooh, you could do some nice stories about the first post-Hurgh Klingons perhaps, flying captured Hurgh vessels that are actively hostile to them...)
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Old July 20 2013, 01:31 PM   #77
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Starting a new (temp) job this Monday, so next week's post is up a little early:

http://startrekfactcheck.blogspot.co...nfluences.html
Interesting. Sadly typical of Roddenberry to deny that he was drawing on others' work. He not only took credit for things his collaborators came up with, he couldn't even admit his influences! He had to pretend he made up everything himself.

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You forgot to mention 17:01 at the top of Forbidden Planet.
Umm, I can't tell if you're joking or referring to something real about the movie. We know that Matt Jefferies picked "1701" because it was more legible onscreen than other numbers.
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Old July 20 2013, 04:36 PM   #78
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He's joking.
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Old July 20 2013, 05:21 PM   #79
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Is he, though? I always understood that the registry number 1701 was indeed inspired by the the mention of "17:01" at the start of Forbidden Planet. So that's only a coincidence then?
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Old July 20 2013, 05:50 PM   #80
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Starting a new (temp) job this Monday, so next week's post is up a little early:

http://startrekfactcheck.blogspot.co...nfluences.html

The commentary on the revisions to Scott's character courtesy of Gene Coon is interesting; I'll have to keep it in mind next time I watch the first two seasons.
What is important about Scotty during the series run, is that he is the one supporting character whose character was allowed to be fleshed out somewhat during the series run, and whose importance to the show (and the story) grew. Jimmy Doohan even noted that how it 'just got better and better'. In the aborted proposed phase II series, there were several scripts that would have given Doohan chances to really shine.
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Old July 20 2013, 07:47 PM   #81
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He's joking.
But you gotta admit it's a funny coincidence coming in the first few lines of the film.
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Old July 29 2013, 01:57 AM   #82
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I finally finished my entry on 'The Great Phaser Caper' for this week: http://startrekfactcheck.blogspot.co...ser-caper.html

Busy work week ahead, so probably just a short post next week.
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Old July 29 2013, 04:01 AM   #83
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I finally finished my entry on 'The Great Phaser Caper' for this week: http://startrekfactcheck.blogspot.co...ser-caper.html
Very nice article! I'd love to know more about what happened in the month prior to the Klamer deal being killed; did Klamer himself ever give his side of the story when the rifle was auctioned off?

I love how Gene felt the need to call attention to the way he was "Living up to my promise to notify you..." -- as if that was something unusual for him. Why do I have the feeling Gene just liked the deal with Jeffries and Wah Chang better (had to pay a few bucks but got to avoid the propmakers union and didn't have to give up the toy rights). And was Gene taking credit for the series Phaser design in that memo? Didn't Jeffries and Chang do that?
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Old July 29 2013, 04:06 AM   #84
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^Was there anything Roddenberry didn't try to take credit for?
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Old July 29 2013, 04:30 AM   #85
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Very nice article! I'd love to know more about what happened in the month prior to the Klamer deal being killed; did Klamer himself ever give his side of the story when the rifle was auctioned off?
Unless I zoned out during the auction's video with Klamer, which I briefly quote, I don't think he got into detail about it. This listing just says "Eventually, Klamer did no further work for the series, but retained these outlines." Judging from some searching on Google, I don't think Klamer spoke to the press about the item, beyond the auction site's listing.
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Old July 29 2013, 02:38 PM   #86
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Quite a few years ago aridas worked up a really good idea for a TOS era phaser rifle. It was immediately recognizable yet also looked more than just rearranging familiar elements together. To me it looked like it could really have fit seamlessly into the show.

I wish I could find it again. I was sure I had a copy of it.
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Old July 29 2013, 02:47 PM   #87
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Quite a few years ago aridas worked up a really good idea for a TOS era phaser rifle. It was immediately recognizable yet also looked more than just rearranging familiar elements together. To me it looked like it could really have fit seamlessly into the show.

I wish I could find it again. I was sure I had a copy of it.
Aridas posted links to it back in March in this post, but the links show up as "temporarily unavailable."
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Old July 29 2013, 03:42 PM   #88
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Quite a few years ago aridas worked up a really good idea for a TOS era phaser rifle. It was immediately recognizable yet also looked more than just rearranging familiar elements together. To me it looked like it could really have fit seamlessly into the show.

I wish I could find it again. I was sure I had a copy of it.
Aridas posted links to it back in March in this post, but the links show up as "temporarily unavailable."
Unfortunately, for his own reasons, aridas has recently withdrawn from pretty much all things Trek including shutting down his Federation Reference Series website. Maybe he feels burnt out or it's something else. I have no clear idea as he hasn't communicated his reasons to me or anyone else I know of.
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Old July 29 2013, 05:49 PM   #89
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I finally finished my entry on 'The Great Phaser Caper' for this week: http://startrekfactcheck.blogspot.co...ser-caper.html

Busy work week ahead, so probably just a short post next week.
I've always found it interesting that Matt Jefferies' annotations are all over that phaser rifle design sketch...
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Old July 30 2013, 02:20 PM   #90
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I finally finished my entry on 'The Great Phaser Caper' for this week: http://startrekfactcheck.blogspot.co...ser-caper.html

Busy work week ahead, so probably just a short post next week.
FWIW:

The second season publicity brochure from NBC has a photo of Shatner holding the Klamer rifle. There's also a behind-the-scenes photo in it from Catspaw, so that might help a little with the dating of the brochure.
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