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Old August 19 2014, 07:42 PM   #451
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The Steven Carabatsos draft is bad, no question.

Having read two different treatments by Ellison, it's obvious that some of the blame for the script's troubled development does land squarely at the feet of the writing staff. Ellison's first draft script is pretty much what his treatment is, so they got what they approved story-wise. My guess is that at the point Ellison did his treatments they hadn't quite figured out the tone of the show and by the time his script came in they had settled on some things which the staff found incompatible with the story they'd bought. For instance, if they had a problem with a drug dealing crewman on the ship they could have squashed it back at the first treatment stage, but they didn't. They changed their minds after approving the story.
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Old August 19 2014, 08:19 PM   #452
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^Well, surely that's their prerogative, to refine the show while they work on it. I'm sure similar issues crop up with first-season scripts on many shows, while the writers try things out and feel their way toward what the show will be.
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Old August 19 2014, 08:26 PM   #453
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I'm not saying it isn't their prerogative... it's part of the process certainly, but from these documents one can see the seeds of the script's troubled history and bad blood, e.g. why Ellison would get P.O.ed at Roddenberry for his later tall-tale telling about "he had my Scotty dealing drugs!"... as if he'd come up with this unacceptable thing when they had approved a drug dealer character in the first place.
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Old August 19 2014, 09:02 PM   #454
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From what I can tell, though, the "Scotty dealing drugs" thing wasn't said until 1987, twenty years after the fact. When I was growing up, all I ever heard anyone involved with Trek say about Ellison's "City" was that it was a beautiful, brilliant script that simply couldn't be filmed on a TV budget. And yet Ellison's complaints about the writing process on the episode, and his attacks on the producers of ST, date back to the '60s. At first he was one of its staunchest supporters, but after "City," he was denouncing it as just one more piece of television schlock.
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Old August 19 2014, 10:47 PM   #455
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I wouldn't mind seeing a systematic list of all the known drafts, who wrote them, and what plot points they had that differed from one another. Something that would give a sense of what elements of the final episode came from which writer. But that might require a whole book to cover.
I don't know how accurate this is but this is what Cushman has published:

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Old August 19 2014, 10:54 PM   #456
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What can you guys tell me about Steve Carabatsos?

As I recall, Shatner's Trek Memories featured an interview with Majel, who stated that he "functioned well" but something was off. Now, mind you, this is from my memory of the audiobook, which I've heard on a few occasions, so the book may elaborate and I might need to consult it.

But do any of you have any more info on this? So far, the books I've been reading haven't really explored this.
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Old August 19 2014, 11:32 PM   #457
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I don't know how accurate this is but this is what Cushman has published:
Thanks, but I was more interested in the content of the drafts, what story elements and differences they had.
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Old August 20 2014, 01:35 AM   #458
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^^^That would be a good article... Maurice, Harvey?

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Old August 20 2014, 03:05 AM   #459
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Re: Carabatsos. Not much info is out there. He's still alive, around 75, really didn't write a lot of television. Thirteen or so credits (this is as a writer, not credits for his staff positions). He did write the only episode of THE BIG VALLEY that I ever rewatch, entitled "Court Martial" -- good piece of television, far superior to the Trek episode of the same title. I believe it is on Youtube.

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Old September 29 2014, 04:13 PM   #460
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I am trying out some shorter pieces for the next three weeks while I work on something more in depth. Here's the first one:

http://startrekfactcheck.blogspot.co...n-ice.html?m=1
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Old September 29 2014, 07:49 PM   #461
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I am trying out some shorter pieces for the next three weeks while I work on something more in depth. Here's the first one:

http://startrekfactcheck.blogspot.co...n-ice.html?m=1
This is fascinating. I always wish they had kept the Kelso character on as at least a recurring.
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Old October 1 2014, 04:18 AM   #462
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Yeah, he had a quality above the usual "bridge officer of the week". Lt. D'Amato in "That Which Survives" had that same quality. You kinda wish they'd been in a few more episodes, or at least had a meatier role.
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Old October 1 2014, 08:43 AM   #463
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Paul Carr always did good work in stuff I saw him in. He would have been a good choice as a recurring crewmember on the scale of Nichols, Doohan, Whitney, and Takei.
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Old October 1 2014, 08:54 AM   #464
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I am trying out some shorter pieces for the next three weeks while I work on something more in depth. Here's the first one:

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Unbelievable. Great find!

Suspect you're on the right track theorising it was just Roddenberry just telling people what he thinks they want to hear. Again.

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What can you guys tell me about Steve Carabatsos?
Will have a look through my library this weekend.
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Old October 1 2014, 09:06 AM   #465
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Re: Carabatsos: Looks like he was active until 1987, Star Trek was early in his career.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0135830/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
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