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Old June 12 2013, 06:36 PM   #91
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Re: J.J. Abrams enters The Twilight Zone

Exactly. What happened in Trek '09 with the Kobayashi Maru fits beat-for-beat what was described in The Wrath of Khan.
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Old June 12 2013, 06:41 PM   #92
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Re: J.J. Abrams enters The Twilight Zone

"Listen, kiddo, Jim Kirk was many things, but he was never a Boy Scout!" - Carol Marcus
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Old June 12 2013, 07:15 PM   #93
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I actually liked that bit in 09 Trek. Kirk is even eating an apple in the simulation, mirroring the TWOK scene quoted above.
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Old June 12 2013, 07:23 PM   #94
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Re: J.J. Abrams enters The Twilight Zone

We see little to nothing of Prime Kirk's past from 2233-2263 so there's a hell of a lot of room for speculation, and from the various things we know about him, he was at least very bright and often getting into some form of trouble.
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Old June 12 2013, 07:28 PM   #95
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I want J.J. Abrams to remake Lost in Space.
At the rate he's going, it's only a matter of time before he remakes the KJV.
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Old June 12 2013, 07:37 PM   #96
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newtontomato539 wrote: View Post
I want J.J. Abrams to remake Lost in Space.
At the rate he's going, it's only a matter of time before he remakes the KJV.
Why not, we already have the LCV, which is much better IMO.
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Old June 12 2013, 07:37 PM   #97
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I think that STXI's take on the Kobayashi Maru scenario was that Kirk thought that the Klingon ships were ridiculously and unrealistically overpowered. He therefore felt no shame in making light of destroying the contrivances.

Ya gotta admit: in TWOK, the simulated Enterprise folded like a house of cards under the make-believe Klingon fire. That was something about TWOK that always stuck out to me, from first viewing. In real fights, the TOS Enterprise lasted, shall we say, longer.
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Old June 12 2013, 10:47 PM   #98
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In TWOK, it was said that Kirk reprogrammed the simulation so that it was possible to save the ship and he was given a commendation for original thinking. Given the theme of Kirk always finding a way out (that revelation was punctuated by a sudden reversal of fortune when all seemed hopeless), it would hopefully be assumed that he reprogrammed the simulation with a clever alternative that the programmers hadn't thought of-- he didn't believe in a no-win scenario. In nuTrek, he simply vandalized the simulation. No original thinking, no imagination, no beating the no-win scenario. It's rather disturbing to think that he would be rewarded for doing something so stupid. I'm amazed that anyone thinks this is what happened in the original universe.

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But throughout the new Star Trek films Uhura was exceptional. We had a testimony by Spock of her abilities as a cadet, way before he was burdened by the destruction of Vulcan – and there's no reason to doubt his judgement. We saw her replace the acting communications officer because he was unqualified for the mission. We saw her take on exotic alien languages with ease, at short notice in extremely stressful circumstances. She was seen maintaining composure when other crewmen were losing it, participating in combat, and repeatedly proving she deserves a position on the flagship. That's more credit than TOS episodes have usually given her.

Characterising that as a "bar babe who manipulates superior officers with sex" is painfully unfair.
Sure, they all had their talents and triumphs, but it doesn't change that most of them were characterized in negative contrast to the originals.

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Seriously what the heck? Where is the Kirk criticism if we are going to start bashing characters for flirting and having sexual relationships? And that's both Kirks, Nu and Prime.

A bar babe, did you even see the movie?
I assume you're talking to me, even though I never bashed characters for flirting and having sexual relationships (this is me, after all ), but the answer is yes, I did see the first one.
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Old June 12 2013, 11:03 PM   #99
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it would hopefully be assumed that he reprogrammed the simulation with a clever alternative that the programmers hadn't thought of-- he didn't believe in a no-win scenario.
You know what happens when you assume....
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Old June 12 2013, 11:47 PM   #100
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In TWOK, it was said that Kirk reprogrammed the simulation so that it was possible to save the ship and he was given a commendation for original thinking. Given the theme of Kirk always finding a way out (that revelation was punctuated by a sudden reversal of fortune when all seemed hopeless), it would hopefully be assumed that he reprogrammed the simulation with a clever alternative that the programmers hadn't thought of-- he didn't believe in a no-win scenario. In nuTrek, he simply vandalized the simulation. No original thinking, no imagination, no beating the no-win scenario. It's rather disturbing to think that he would be rewarded for doing something so stupid. I'm amazed that anyone thinks this is what happened in the original universe.
You realize that by reprogramming the scenario, he would know exactly how to beat it? So all he had to do was wait for a certain event that he programmed into the simulation in order to beat it.

Kirk may act like a douche when beating it in the 2009 film, but Prime Kirk had no more issue saving the ship because he knew exactly how the scenario he programmed would play out.
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Old June 13 2013, 12:42 AM   #101
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How is reprogramming the simulation not "vandalizing" the computer, hacking the computer, cheating or exactly what NuKirk did? What do you think Kirk did to the computer to win? He rewrote the test to give himself an advantage!
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Old June 13 2013, 12:48 AM   #102
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Both versions of Kirk did rewrite the simulation, yes. nuKirk programmed the computer to cause all of the Klingons' shields to drop - so yes, in that case, he gave himself the advantage.

We actually have no canon idea what Kirk Prime did to the simulation. He could have programmed something completely different. All *he* said was that he made it possible to rescue the ship. He didn't say exactly how he did it, or what specific changes he made to the simulator.
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Old June 13 2013, 12:54 AM   #103
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Both versions of Kirk did rewrite the simulation, yes. nuKirk programmed the computer to cause all of the Klingons' shields to drop - so yes, in that case, he gave himself the advantage.

We actually have no canon idea what Kirk Prime did to the simulation. He could have programmed something completely different. All *he* said was that he made it possible to rescue the ship. He didn't say exactly how he did it, or what specific changes he made to the simulator.
Any change to the program is cheating.
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Old June 13 2013, 01:19 AM   #104
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Re: J.J. Abrams enters The Twilight Zone

Obviously the hypothesis here is that he fixed the program to include some real-life solution he had in mind. Instead of blowing up ships with the power of an apple.

Whether that is what actually happened is a different matter.
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Old June 13 2013, 01:24 AM   #105
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Obviously the hypothesis here is that he fixed the program to include some real-life solution he had in mind. Instead of blowing up ships with the power of an apple.

Whether that is what actually happened is a different matter.
"Fixed" Was it broken? Is that he got access? Said he was from the tech department and was here to fix the computer?
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