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Old August 23 2013, 05:37 PM   #121
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They could have then used Voyager in a finale that involved the Dominion, and let Voyager be a key in winning the war. Surprise!
No. DS9 was the show that introduced and developed the Dominion, they should be the ones to end the war storyline. Having VOY fly in and end it would have only pissed off the DS9 fans.

Many TNG fans are still annoyed at how VOY mishandled the Borg and Q.
Heck, it was Picard who destroyed the Borg for good in a feature film. And then they took that away from him by having all the Borg up and well in Voyager again.
how did he destroy the borg for good? he just killed a queen
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Old August 23 2013, 05:40 PM   #122
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No. DS9 was the show that introduced and developed the Dominion, they should be the ones to end the war storyline. Having VOY fly in and end it would have only pissed off the DS9 fans.

Many TNG fans are still annoyed at how VOY mishandled the Borg and Q.
Heck, it was Picard who destroyed the Borg for good in a feature film. And then they took that away from him by having all the Borg up and well in Voyager again.
how did he destroy the borg for good? he just killed a queen
When I walked out of the cinema in 1996, I had the feeling he killed the Queen, and with it the entire hive. The Borg were ended epically in First Contact.
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Old August 23 2013, 05:43 PM   #123
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Heck, it was Picard who destroyed the Borg for good in a feature film. And then they took that away from him by having all the Borg up and well in Voyager again.
how did he destroy the borg for good? he just killed a queen
When I walked out of the cinema in 1996, I had the feeling he killed the Queen, and with it the entire hive. The Borg were ended epically in First Contact.
yeah it was awesome, but nothing that indicated that he killed the borg for good.

with the nature of them the only way to get rid of them for good is to wipe out each and every single drone. Even one functioning drone can rebuild the entire population
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Old August 23 2013, 06:25 PM   #124
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Let's just interpret First Contact as a serious blow to the Borg in the Alpha Quadrant.
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Old August 23 2013, 09:12 PM   #125
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...Even one functioning drone can rebuild the entire population
Wouldn't one Borg just be an individual? I think when you get to a low population of Borg their priorities switch to survival mode, at some point trying to assimilate would be too costly with the few drones they have. (Resistance is... possible.)

In the books, they joined with a rouge faction of Dominion and Romulans after what Janeway did to them. I assume in return for their services, they got the prisoners of war.
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Old August 23 2013, 09:25 PM   #126
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...Even one functioning drone can rebuild the entire population
Wouldn't one Borg just be an individual? I think when you get to a low population of Borg their priorities switch to survival mode, at some point trying to assimilate would be too costly with the few drones they have. (Resistance is... possible.)

In the books, they joined with a rouge faction of Dominion and Romulans after what Janeway did to them. I assume in return for their services, they got the prisoners of war.
it would still be operating under the same guidelines, find technology and assimilate.
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Old August 23 2013, 11:54 PM   #127
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Then they would have been lying to us all this time about the purity of their process and motives.

A collective is a group consciousness existing on the same encrypted wavelength of subspaceradio. The flesh left behind after the fact is almost irrelevant.

The group sets the the group goals together.

That's why Reilly's group in Unity was able to sit it out and get along in their pocket collective.

They wrote their own manifesto and stuck to it.

What Seven did in Survival instinct was reprehensible, and punishment for strong arming the valid opinions of weak minded initiates was most probably Janeway.
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Old August 24 2013, 06:17 AM   #128
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Guy.... YOU should write us a manifesto.
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Old August 24 2013, 06:35 AM   #129
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Define "us".
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Old August 24 2013, 06:40 AM   #130
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All us Trek fans. A vague concept, but one you could expand upon unto ultimate power. Could you resist this?
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Old August 24 2013, 06:56 AM   #131
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Manifestos are a young man's game.

Star Trek is dying.

It's just a question of how well it dies.
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Old August 24 2013, 08:50 AM   #132
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You could write its epitaph then.
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Old August 24 2013, 09:21 AM   #133
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Somebugger already wrote "Smoke'em if you gott'em".

(It's amazing how quickly Smoking has become disgusting.)
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...Even one functioning drone can rebuild the entire population
Wouldn't one Borg just be an individual? I think when you get to a low population of Borg their priorities switch to survival mode, at some point trying to assimilate would be too costly with the few drones they have. (Resistance is... possible.)

In the books, they joined with a rouge faction of Dominion and Romulans after what Janeway did to them. I assume in return for their services, they got the prisoners of war.
it would still be operating under the same guidelines, find technology and assimilate.
From what we've seen, there are limits to how much one drone can convert a humanoid into a Borg. The more sophisticated implants must be installed manually. Without a connection to the larger collective, the conversion process would be incomplete, and the drones would work at only the lowest levels.
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Old August 24 2013, 02:39 PM   #135
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Are you talking about how slowly the crew on Enterprise was partially assimilated because the nanoprobes from Two Borg were spread out between nearly a dozen drones, a ship and a few members of Archer's crew fighting off the infection over the course of hours with 22nd century medical technology?
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