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Old February 27 2014, 01:14 AM   #1
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How would you Vote in the Trial of Jean Grey?



Teenage Jean Grey from before X-Men #10, circa 1964, has been living in present day Marvel for quite some time, but now that the Galactic Powers have noticed, they have chosen to put the girl to trial for a genocide committed on her part while she was the Dark Phoenix oh so long ago.

It's a crossover split between All-New X-men and Guardians of Galaxy, both comics are being written by Benids.

We don't know that a guilty verdict means death, so don't let hypothetical sentencing factor into your verdict.

Guilty or Innocent.

The choice is yours.
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Old February 27 2014, 01:29 AM   #2
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Re: How would you Vote in the Trial of Jean Grey?

Guilty as sin.

First, I love a sinful gal.

Second, her dying totally turned the comics world around.

Sucks that they retconned it.
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Old February 27 2014, 01:50 AM   #3
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Innocent. The phoenix force controlled her.
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Old February 27 2014, 01:57 AM   #4
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So anyone I kill while I'm driving drunk is fair game?
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Old February 27 2014, 01:57 AM   #5
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Re: How would you Vote in the Trial of Jean Grey?

Not guilty, of course. The Phoenix force hadn't met Jean yet at that point in her timeline. And when it did, it simply adopted her as a proverbial desktop theme while stowing the original away underwater. Dark Phoenix's misdemeanours were not Jean's.
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Old February 27 2014, 02:36 AM   #6
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Agreed, however the Phoenix COPIED Jeans personality "exactly" and if she had had a better personality, then things might not have gone so ass over tea kettle.

This might be like suing a manufacturer for making a faulty product that kills a few billion people?

(We know this to be true, but either no one told Bendis, which seems impossible, or it is his trump card to win the trial.)

Remember the Trial of Reed Richards?

Lilandra pissed her pants when Odin showed up to give testimony for Reed.

Although the mechanism of sifting a verdict in that trial was a few hundred coloured balloons that changed colour depending on how the room was feeling, each colour delineating a spectrum between absolute innocence and absolute guilt.
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Old February 27 2014, 03:50 AM   #7
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Given that Dark Phoenix wasn't even Jean (she was in a coma in a cocoon in the bottom of a bay at the time), she has zero culpability for anything Dark Phoenix did. Particularly since this is a Jean from BEFORE IT EVER HAPPENED. The entire premise is extremely flimsy. Particularly since Gladiator has been quite heroic in the past few years in Infinity and War of Kings.
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Old February 27 2014, 05:05 AM   #8
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Lilandra put Reed Richards to trial for NOT KILLING Galactus when he had the chance, and blamed him therefore for the destruction of the Skrull Homeworld weeks later that the Devourer ate.

It's their modus operandi.

You know what every episode of Scooby Doo taught me?

(And Lex Luthor, and Bill Hicks.)

It's about Land.

Lex Luthor: Miss Teschmacher, when I was six years old my father said to me...
Miss Teschmacher: "Get out."
Lex Luthor: Ha ha. Before that. He said, "Son, stocks may rise and fall, utilities and transportation systems may collapse. People are no damn good, but they will always need land and they'll pay through the nose to get it! Remember," my father said...
Otis: "... land."
Lex Luthor: Right.
(Or in this case space, but it still boils down to real estae.)

The D'Bari system is probably cursed space like the last piece of fried child on the dinner table which no one is asshole enough to take (except for a child of drunk pedo uncle.)

By trying Jean for the destruction of D'Bari under Shi'ar law, that brings D'bari under Shi'ar law, which will clean it up of any folksy doomed mysticism.

Here's the problem with that theory.

In Avenger's Vs X-Men the Phoenix destroyed hundreds of worlds on his way to Earth.

(Although, Galactus is in another universe, so that probably cancels out.)

Meanwhile the war with the builders would have destroyed thousands, if not tens of thousands as systems as wholly as the Dark Phoenix did to D'Bari.

It was something small that happened a very long time ago.

Although the Shi'ar have turned the Phoenix into a power source and even augmented weapons (it was a bloody big sword) with slithers of the phoenix force, which tracks that the avatar of a cosmic force is not the totality of the cosmic force, just like if the avatar of magnitism showed up, you wouldn't expect all magnitism in the universe to vanish if you killed it's avatar (20 years ago there were some brilliant Quasar comics on the subject.).
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Old February 27 2014, 05:09 AM   #9
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1964 Jean hadn't killed anybody yet. Innocent.
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Old February 27 2014, 05:20 AM   #10
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1964 Jean had given birth to Onslaught in Xavier's stunted Libido.

That makes her responsible for a world of chaos and misery.
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Old February 27 2014, 01:34 PM   #11
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What age are the Original X-Men supposed to be? Is Jean still jailbait?
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Old February 27 2014, 03:12 PM   #12
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So anyone I kill while I'm driving drunk is fair game?
Jean didn't choose to be the Phoenix.
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Old February 27 2014, 04:24 PM   #13
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So anyone I kill while I'm driving drunk is fair game?
Jean didn't choose to be the Phoenix.
Unless alcohol can be proven to have a consciousness, then you could try that defense.
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Old February 27 2014, 05:47 PM   #14
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There was a back up story in Classic X-Men... Classic X-men was reprints of old X-men stories which Claremont sometimes randomly added new pages into to flesh out the 70s/80s goodness, followed by a ten page character piece fleshing out the backstory/origin of a relevant character... There was a back up story in Classic X-Men where the Phoenix seduced/picked up Jean Grey like in a dim slut in a singles bar hungry for regret. Y'know, relative hours or coercion squeezed into an instance of real time, but then it's possible that that stuff isn't even canon.
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Old February 27 2014, 07:06 PM   #15
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^Yeah, but even if you take that as cannon, it's more the equivalent of having someone slip something in your drink as apposed to getting drunk on your own accord.

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So anyone I kill while I'm driving drunk is fair game?
Jean didn't choose to be the Phoenix.
Unless alcohol can be proven to have a consciousness, then you could try that defense.
I was arguing that it's not like alcohol.
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