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Old June 7 2013, 05:56 AM   #31
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The heaven/hell thing I just saw as Kate's mind "making up" something it just couldn't comprehend. A bit like the Q continuum in Deathwish, it doesn't literally look like that.
I watched it again recently and spotted something that convinced me the Hell scene was dreamed by one of the crew... and now I can't remember what it was.

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since right before we see them, there's a closeup on her eye (and as we see Dr. Reinhardt in hell, we hear Kate say "Murderer!").
Maybe that was it. Now I need to go back and look.

As for the remake: Obviously they're going to have to change the name, because we now know that it's not possible to fall into a black hole and live.
We knew that at the time, but they were going by "movie science." Anyway, the characters did assume it would be a death sentence. The only thing that was supposed to make it possible was the Cygnus' anti-gravity whozit. And in the end, there was no explanation as to why the characters did survive.

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A remake of this film - done well - really has some potential
Remakes always have potential. But I know not a single one that was ever done well.
John Carpenter's The Thing was an excellent remake.
The Wizard of Oz. The Ten Commandments.
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Old June 7 2013, 06:02 AM   #32
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A remake of this film - done well - really has some potential
Remakes always have potential. But I know not a single one that was ever done well.
The Maltese Falcon. The third version is the one considered the classic. Most people have forgotten the first two.
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Old June 7 2013, 06:44 AM   #33
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Nah, Satan Met a Lady is a class--okay, even I can't finish that sentence. It's awful.

David Cronenberg's version of The Fly is superior to the original.
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Old June 7 2013, 07:18 AM   #34
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Nah, Satan Met a Lady is a class--okay, even I can't finish that sentence. It's awful.
LOL! I have the three disc special edition and I can appreciate that version from a weird alternate universe perspective. But version one and three are much better. IIRC, the first version did quite well at the theater.
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Old June 7 2013, 01:21 PM   #35
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Remakes always have potential. But I know not a single one that was ever done well.
The Maltese Falcon. The third version is the one considered the classic. Most people have forgotten the first two.
Not to mention that the Judy Garland Wizard of Oz was approximately the seventh screen adaptation of that book, the Charlton Heston Ben-Hur was a remake of a silent version, etc.

And there have been a number of more recent remakes that have been considered quite well-done, like The Fly, Ocean's Eleven, The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, True Grit, etc.
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Old June 7 2013, 04:06 PM   #36
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Ouch. I wrote The Wizard of Oz up above, but I also wrote The Ten Commandments when I meant Ben-Hur.
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Old June 7 2013, 04:42 PM   #37
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^Well, The Ten Commandments was a remake too. DeMille originally made it as a silent film in 1923, then remade and expanded it in '56, with many scenes recreated shot-for-shot.
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Old June 7 2013, 05:39 PM   #38
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If you're going to remake something, there's merit in taking a property that was kind of botched the first time out, but had potential. The Black Hole falls into that category, something I think most people old enough to have seen it (like me) WANTED to like, but couldn't quite get into fully. If you try to remake something that was perfect to begin with, then you just open yourself up to too many unflattering comparisons.
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Old June 7 2013, 07:36 PM   #39
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Yeah, The Black Hole does come into this category. It was a very dark story - I mean the Cygnus crew had basically been lobotomised and turned into mindless slaves. Some found VINCENT and Old BOB to be cutesy robots, but they served a purpose, and were a contrast to the silent and intimidating Maximilian.

As a kid I was confused by the fact that near the climax they were floating in space with no ill effects - wasn't until the novelisation that I found that the Cygnus's gravity shield also held in the atmosphere - would have made more sense if a couple of lines of dialogue had mentioned that!

Another thing that bothered me was they had to use computer records to recognise the Cygnus. She was the only ship of her kind, sent on a grand mission, and Booth even covered her launch - her identity should have been fairly obvious to everyone.
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Old June 8 2013, 05:18 AM   #40
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^Well, The Ten Commandments was a remake too. DeMille originally made it as a silent film in 1923, then remade and expanded it in '56, with many scenes recreated shot-for-shot.
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Old June 8 2013, 01:18 PM   #41
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It's generally safe to assume that any '30s through '50s movie based on a classic or public-domain literary work was previously adapted as a silent film at least once. The bromide you keep hearing is that Hollywood "these days" has run out of ideas and is obsessed with remakes, but in fact, remakes were far more common and frequent in the early decades of cinema than they are today. After all, films often didn't get distributed as widely, and they didn't reappear on TV or home video, so one film version of a story might only reach a limited audience and then disappear, leaving the field wide open for another version.
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As a kid I was confused by the fact that near the climax they were floating in space with no ill effects - wasn't until the novelisation that I found that the Cygnus's gravity shield also held in the atmosphere - would have made more sense if a couple of lines of dialogue had mentioned that!
I recently rewatched TBH for the first time in ages, and that part really bugged me, with all the very obvious hull breaches, yet nobody is getting sucked out into space (except that brief sequence where VINCENT rescues the first officer) or even having trouble breathing.
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Old June 8 2013, 02:11 PM   #43
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^Well, The Ten Commandments was a remake too. DeMille originally made it as a silent film in 1923, then remade and expanded it in '56, with many scenes recreated shot-for-shot.
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It's generally safe to assume that any '30s through '50s movie based on a classic or public-domain literary work was previously adapted as a silent film at least once. The bromide you keep hearing is that Hollywood "these days" has run out of ideas and is obsessed with remakes, but in fact, remakes were far more common and frequent in the early decades of cinema than they are today. After all, films often didn't get distributed as widely, and they didn't reappear on TV or home video, so one film version of a story might only reach a limited audience and then disappear, leaving the field wide open for another version.
That's why those examples for remakes don't count in my opinion. Charlton Heston Ten Commandments or Ben Hur, for example, is the first modern film version. Silent film is a whole different medium, like a stage play, or a book. And has there been remakes of 1950s Ten Commandments or Ben Hur that come remotely close to the quality of those "originals"?
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Old June 8 2013, 07:01 PM   #44
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There was a recent Ben-Hur miniseries that was pretty decent. It was pretty much a shot-for-shot remake.
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Old June 8 2013, 09:40 PM   #45
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I loved the movie

Nice physical and CGI models of the Cygnus here
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