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Old June 5 2013, 08:59 AM   #1
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I've started hating the word "rehash"...

So Lindelof has suggested Q and the Borg might be used in Trek XIII... I think it would be like 'the coolest idea ever', but I see fans everywhere shouting and screaming things like: 'Why can't we have a new villain instead of REHASHING old ones?!' God, I hate that word, REHASH...

Were people screaming things like that about the Joker when people learned he would be in The Dark Knight..? The way Nolan reimagined the Joker was so brilliant, and I think The Borg, Q, even the Pakleds could be reimagined in a brilliant way... It's not a REHASH...

Rehash suggests that NEW villains are always better... Shinzon anyone..? Ru'afo..? Soran..? Nero..? All NEW villains... Personally, I'd rather see the Borg..!
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Old June 5 2013, 09:16 AM   #2
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Re: I've started hating the word "rehash"...

Rehash is a fair criticism because it makes the franchise seem one note. Yes Nolan's use of the Joker was amazing even though it had been done in 1989. The other side of the coin is Lex Luthor ALWAYS being used in Superman movies. The Man of Steel film is breaking that trend. However when you use and reuse the same villain or plots over and over it makes the franchise seem stagnant and uninteresting. Batman and Superman have many other villains, but the Joker and Luthor are both the most recognizable. The same thing can be said about Trek. The Borg, Klingons, Romulans are Trek's most recognizable villains. So the idea to capitalize on their notoriety is what drives the decisions to use them to get patrons in seats in theatres.

With STID we have a third movie in a row that is thematically similar to the TWOK. The other two being ST 2009 and NEM. The fans asking "can't you do something else?" is a fair question.
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Old June 5 2013, 09:20 AM   #3
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Re: I've started hating the word "rehash"...

Roald wrote: View Post
God, I hate that word, REHASH...
Don't hate on words.
Re-imagine, rehash, same difference.
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Old June 5 2013, 09:33 AM   #4
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Re: I've started hating the word "rehash"...

Rehash, reboot, reimagining. All the same thing.
I now work with computers and "reboot" is usually a good solution. When I used to manage movie theatres. "Reboot" was often not. It usually indicated a lack of creativity and original thinking. In the business it used to be called "remake".
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Old June 5 2013, 09:47 AM   #5
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Re: I've started hating the word "rehash"...

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Rehash is a fair criticism because it makes the franchise seem one note. Yes Nolan's use of the Joker was amazing even though it had been done in 1989. The other side of the coin is Lex Luthor ALWAYS being used in Superman movies. The Man of Steel film is breaking that trend. However when you use and reuse the same villain or plots over and over it makes the franchise seem stagnant and uninteresting. Batman and Superman have many other villains, but the Joker and Luthor are both the most recognizable. The same thing can be said about Trek. The Borg, Klingons, Romulans are Trek's most recognizable villains. So the idea to capitalize on their notoriety is what drives the decisions to use them to get patrons in seats in theatres.

With STID we have a third movie in a row that is thematically similar to the TWOK. The other two being ST 2009 and NEM. The fans asking "can't you do something else?" is a fair question.
Aren't all those superhero villains basically 'rehashes' of the comics? I'm not sure though, I hardly know anything about comics.

I do agree with you that we need a different type of villain for a change... Therefor I think the Borg would be great! They're like a swarm, like space zombies bent on assimilation... not a vengeful soloist like Shinzon or Nero was... (I do think STID was a little different though, with Adm. Marcus being the real villain...).

I see a great story somewhere, involving Q, Borg, Klingons, even Khan as a new crewmember.......
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Old June 5 2013, 09:53 AM   #6
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Re: I've started hating the word "rehash"...

I am so over Q.
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Old June 5 2013, 10:01 AM   #7
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I am so over Q.
I think if they reimagine him completely and have an A-list (comedy) actor to play him, I think it could be a stroke of genius...
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Old June 5 2013, 10:17 AM   #8
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Re: I've started hating the word "rehash"...

The finger snapping, the light, the foppishness and mustache twirling with no mustache.. please star trek gods, no.
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Old June 5 2013, 10:18 AM   #9
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Re: I've started hating the word "rehash"...

What was wrong with DeLancie ?

Anyway, Borg maybe, Q... no. I liked Q but I don't think it would be a good idea for the movie. Of course I'd prefer something more TOS, like Klingons or the Doomsday Machine or something like that. Or something new. Anyway, I'm ok with anything so long as it's good.
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Old June 5 2013, 10:19 AM   #10
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Re: I've started hating the word "rehash"...

DeLancie could easily do it now. They can just write him as manifesting his ennui by looking more worn out.
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Old June 5 2013, 10:39 AM   #11
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Re: I've started hating the word "rehash"...

Pssh who is this Q? Don't talk to me about Trelaine either. All we need is CHARLIE X!
j/k lol

Star Trek XIII i see them going for a Klingon/Romulan War against the Federation. A bigger go get'em action movie.
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Old June 5 2013, 10:58 AM   #12
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Re: I've started hating the word "rehash"...

I want to see Alice Eve crawling down a corridor with no mouth. She'll have the same eyes as when her father's head was being crushed. Positively Ellison.
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Old June 5 2013, 11:40 AM   #13
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Luckily, Lindelof won't be writing the next film.
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Old June 5 2013, 11:42 AM   #14
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Re: I've started hating the word "rehash"...

Why "luckily" ? He seemed to be doing a good job with the other two.
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Old June 5 2013, 11:50 AM   #15
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Why "luckily" ? He seemed to be doing a good job with the other two.
I think Orci and Kurzman balance him. He seems to come up with all the whack ideas, and they rein him in. The poor plot of Prometheus can largely be blamed on him.
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