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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Would you be okay with a female Doctor?
I am okay with a female Doctor. (The Doctor's gender could be Wibbley-Wobbly!) 69 56.10%
I would not be okay with a female Doctor. (The Doctor's maleness is a Fixed Point!) 40 32.52%
I don't really have any strong feelings either way. (Fish-fingers and Custard!) 14 11.38%
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Old June 3 2013, 10:33 AM   #31
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Re: Female Doctor Poll!

I don't want a female Doctor.

If you want a female Doctor, you have to have a female James Bond too.
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Old June 3 2013, 10:38 AM   #32
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A female Doctor will really irritate and annoy people who deserve to be really irritated and annoyed, so I am in favour of it.
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Old June 3 2013, 10:44 AM   #33
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I'd be fine with it assuming they cast a suitable actor (which they always do so there's no problem there). You'd have a bunch of jokes in the first episode, many of which would fall flat, but then the show would carry on as normal.

There wouldn't really be much of a difference.
Precisely. For the first episode or two, it would be a gag, and then the show would just go on as it did before. I would only like to add that, if anything, the show could improve as a result of this casting, because they could no longer rely on the whole "hot female companion stares longingly at and falls in love with quirky male hero Doctor" thing I've gotten so sick of.

Oh, and someone up thread, who clearly hasn't examined their own opinions in a while, claims that casting a woman in the lead role would be an "anti-intellectual gimmick." I suppose the all-black Wizard of Oz, The Wiz, was also a gimmick? As was casting Judy Dench as M, and Avery Brooks as the lead on a Star Trek show. All these damned gimmicks - I wish Hollywood would just drop all that politically correct "social responsibility" crap and just get back to the normal day-to-day business of furthering the hegemony of the white male. I mean, jeez. It's just entertainment, for God's sake. (Is there an irony icon?)
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Old June 3 2013, 10:47 AM   #34
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I don't want a female Doctor.

If you want a female Doctor, you have to have a female James Bond too.
Part of the James Bond brand is its inherent sexism. It prides itself on it. James Bond has spent decades having sex with women and then killing them. It has naked dancing girls over the theme music. Are you arguing that a central part of Doctor Who's charm, like that of the James Bond brand, is its sexism? If so, please do make that explicit.
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Old June 3 2013, 10:52 AM   #35
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Candlelight wrote: View Post
I don't want a female Doctor.

If you want a female Doctor, you have to have a female James Bond too.
No, I don't. For starters, Bond can't regenerate, he can only change actors. They had to reboot the series just to make him blond.
Besides, with Bond, it's an important part of the character to be a male chauvinist and ladykiller. He's basically a male adolescent power fantasy. It's who and what he is. The Doctor, on the other hand, has been asexual in most of his incarnations, he's definitely no ladykiller, and I actually find no character trait of him that defines him as a particularly male character.

Last, but not least, James is a really stupid name for a woman.
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Old June 3 2013, 11:32 AM   #36
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I think it would cheapen the integrity of the series by making the once great principle character a tacky, gawdy, anti-intellectual, tabloid headine grabbing gimmick worthy of Russell T. Davies at his most insane.

But I bet plenty will think it'd be camp and funny.
1. And a female Doctor would be nothing but a gimmick, of course.
There are a disproportionate amount of Doctor Who fans that want Doctor Who to be camp, frothy, meaningless light-entertainment. Hence genuinely serious suggestions from fans on this forum so far that Catherine Tate or Emma Watson should play The Doctor. Actors that have showed absolutely no ability to convincingly portray an alien, outcast scientist.

No other show I follow has this type of fandom. I bet nobody in the Game of Thrones thread is demanding that we get a Lionel Richie cameo or whatever. I want Doctor Who to move far away from being tabloid fodder, and The Doctor growing tits is a very crass, shallow example of that culture. I don't think Doctor Who should cater to the Heat Magazine crowd, but aim for a more intelligent audience. I strongly expect that all those passionately demanding Emma Watson or whoever play The Doctor, would regret it very quickly and spend the next 3 years wanting the character to be taken seriously again.

My two pence.
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Old June 3 2013, 11:35 AM   #37
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But people have suggested woman who could convinsingly play a scientist...I do hope you're not suggesting that women just can't be scientists?

Anyway there are equally wrong suggestions of some male actors for the role too.
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Old June 3 2013, 12:13 PM   #38
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Actors that have showed absolutely no ability to convincingly portray an alien, outcast scientist.
That's a fairly specific pre-requisite.
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Old June 3 2013, 12:18 PM   #39
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The NEW Doctor meets Jack.

"So? WhaTTTTaya think?"

"Meh? I preferred you as a man."

Sexually would a female Doctor now be considered a lesbian, or has "he" always been checking out the blokes the whole time?
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Old June 3 2013, 12:21 PM   #40
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In a show in which the main character has been established as being able to change EVERY CELL IN HIS BODY he could come back as a rabbit for all I care.
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Old June 3 2013, 12:56 PM   #41
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I think The Doctor being a paternal figure is a very key element of the show's DNA that shouldn't be changed. A female Doctor could work but there's a 99.99% chance the writers would just fuck it up so I'm not really up for it. I'm imagining how Moffat or RTD would write the post-regen scene of The Doctor examining her new female body and already cringing.

It's all a bit too New Earth for me.
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Old June 3 2013, 01:08 PM   #42
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Re: Female Doctor Poll!

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Part of the James Bond brand is its inherent sexism. It prides itself on it. James Bond has spent decades having sex with women and then killing them. It has naked dancing girls over the theme music. Are you arguing that a central part of Doctor Who's charm, like that of the James Bond brand, is its sexism? If so, please do make that explicit.
Some of the Doctor's key characteristics have always been connected to what is perceived to be the traditional male role. The whole man who "walks like he owns the place", comes from a civilization of sanctimonious patriarchs, protects the innocent at all corst, grandfather/crazy uncle/father figure, likes to impress young women, etc... has been part of the Doctor's DNA from the beginning. It would be interesting to have a female Doctor, but the writers would have to think about what it means for the character and his attitude.
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Old June 3 2013, 01:16 PM   #43
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Sounds like making excuses to me. "Oh a female doctor could be ok" but then looking for reasons to decide it wouldn't work. The writing would be awful, they'll case an unsuitable actress etc etc.

Sexist or change-fearing attitudes in fandom need shaking up and our tragic, engimatic world-breaking travelling wizard can work as a woman just as well a guy.
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Old June 3 2013, 01:27 PM   #44
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Sounds like making excuses to me. "Oh a female doctor could be ok" but then looking for reasons to decide it wouldn't work. The writing would be awful, they'll case an unsuitable actress etc etc.

Sexist or change-fearing attitudes in fandom need shaking up and our tragic, engimatic world-breaking travelling wizard can work as a woman just as well a guy.
Sure, but if they're casting a woman in a role that has been defined by (mostly) traditionally male traits, they have to at least think about what it means for the character. Is it asking for too much? Don't you think that the producers would think about that kind of thing, if they ever made a Mary Poppins remake starring Rik Mayall as Mary?
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Old June 3 2013, 01:40 PM   #45
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I was responding to Jim above you there, you ninja'd me while I was distracted.

Sure, some things should be approached a bit differently, particularly in historical episodes. I'm just think "oh they'd do it wrong" is an excuse people use to hide their reluctance to see something new tried *at all*.
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