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Old June 5 2013, 02:07 PM   #211
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Re: Game of Thrones 3.9 - "The Rains of Castamere" - Rate and discuss

Roose is introduced in the TV series in episode 4 of season 2, just after the battle at Oxcross. Bolton suggests killing or torturing the Lannister prisoners, and Robb declines, mentioning in the process the Boltons' tradition of flaying defeated enemies. (Then Talisa showed up and Robb began to flirt with her.) Not a bad introduction for the character, but after that he slipped into the background except for a few functional, plot-driven scenes here and there.
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Old June 5 2013, 02:32 PM   #212
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No way I can remember every character - or character name or place name - that's been flashed past our eyes over 3 years.
Well, Roose has actually been featured quite prominently throughout this season, especially during Jaime's stay at Harrenhall.
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Old June 5 2013, 03:39 PM   #213
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Old June 5 2013, 03:52 PM   #214
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^^^ Took me a while to figure out what I was looking at, but when I did,
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Old June 5 2013, 05:18 PM   #215
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Here's a question. Does anybody understand why Arya hates the Hound soooo much? I get that he's done some wrong, but is he that bad?
He murdered her friend who was just unlucky enough to witness Joffrey's humiliation.
An adult who murders a child, her friend. Cut and dried.
Not really. The truth is that he was a subject who followed the king's orders. Not so cut and dry, but Arya can't understand that. In her little world of honor, she thinks everyone should die or face whatever kind of punishment instead of doing something dishonorable (like her father did), even if they really had no choice. It's the same failure in understanding that lost her older brother the war and got him killed. Most people don't work like that. If he had killed the boy out of his own free will, that would have been one thing, but that's not what happened.

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He murdered her friend who was just unlucky enough to witness Joffrey's humiliation.
An adult who murders a child, her friend. Cut and dried.
I have a hard time understanding people who don't get this. I mean even if we somehow ignore the "He is a child killer" thing, avenging a murdered friend is a pretty solid motive for most people for most of history.
Hard as it may be for you, the saying "don't kill the messenger," comes to mind. Be upset with the person who actually caused your problem (i.e. "sent the message"), not the person who had to carry out orders or else. I can understand her anger at Joffrey. He's the reason why her friend died, not the Hound. So far, out of his own free will, he's done more to help children than hurt them.
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Old June 5 2013, 05:57 PM   #216
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I agree entirely. The complex characterisations within George R.R. Martin's fantasy legendarium seem quite shallow compared to shipping Spock and Uhura.
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Old June 5 2013, 06:10 PM   #217
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I agree entirely. The complex characterisations within George R.R. Martin's fantasy legendarium seem quite shallow compared to shipping Spock and Uhura.
I'm not sure what your issue is here. And the fact that you have to drag in a preference I have for another type of entertainment tells me that you don't have much to offer to what I said in the way of discussion, you just want to attack.

How about you actually go after what I said instead of my preferences for the Star Trek reboot?

Also, did I say anything about GRRM's characterizations? I don't think the problem is the writer at all. I think he did a great job of realistically showing how children's views of the world are shaped by the environments they grew up in and the parents that they had. Both Arya and Robb had a "noble" father that was very unlike most people. That affected their world view where they both mistakenly expected the same from other people. It's not only a standard most people don't meet, but even Ned failed a little as he was only human too.

See, I responded to your post, not your user pic/name. It's not that hard, really.
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Old June 5 2013, 06:15 PM   #218
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I wouldn't say that Arya has paid much heed to Ned's lawful, noble persona at all. From day one she's shown to hate that whole culture of oaths and bowing the knee. She's just angry that The Hound slaughtered her friend, in the same way she's angry Ilyn Payne killed her father. Neither ordered it, but to her that doesn't matter.
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Old June 5 2013, 06:22 PM   #219
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If I get married to Jenna I'll remember to not invite any GoT cast members.
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Old June 5 2013, 06:24 PM   #220
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I wouldn't say that Arya has paid much heed to Ned's lawful, noble persona at all. From day one she's shown to hate that whole culture of oaths and bowing the knee.
She despises the way women are restricted and would much rather live more like a boy, and she doesn't like the whole "game" that politics ends up being, but she never despised her father. I think she kind of idolized him, and that's a part of her problem. Very few people will be able to live up to her idea of her father.

She's just angry that The Hound slaughtered her friend, in the same way she's angry Ilyn Payne killed her father. Neither ordered it, but to her that doesn't matter.
Which is exactly what I said.
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Old June 5 2013, 06:36 PM   #221
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Old June 5 2013, 09:21 PM   #222
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I am curious, as too why did they wrote Talisa Stark and not Jeyne Westerling in to the show?
And what was the purpose of changing the story about her presence at the wedding?
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Old June 5 2013, 09:34 PM   #223
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I am curious, as too why did they wrote Talisa Stark and not Jeyne Westerling in to the show?
And what was the purpose of changing the story about her presence at the wedding?
Adding Jeyne would require to add several of her relatives. Since she probably won't have any part in the further book story, it was enough to add a generic love interest without the need to add more characters. The result is the same anyway.
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Old June 5 2013, 09:37 PM   #224
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Budgetary (either time or money) I assume.

Stupidity is another possibility.
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Old June 5 2013, 10:27 PM   #225
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Re: Game of Thrones 3.9 - "The Rains of Castamere" - Rate and discuss

I'd like to just comment on the fact that I thought Richard Madden was great in this series as Robb Stark. We never got to get inside Robb's head in the novels, with no POV from his perspective. I really enjoyed his performance overall.
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