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View Poll Results: Is "Pilgrim of Eternity" good enough for your sense of continuity?
Yes, it felt enough like the real thing. 47 77.05%
No, I can only accept what's on TV or film. 10 16.39%
I don't know. 4 6.56%
Voters: 61. You may not vote on this poll

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Old June 11 2013, 05:31 AM   #91
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Re: "Pilgrim Of Eternity" - is it good enough?

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"What exactly was the point of the Counselor?...

The same reason why TNG had a counselor. That this is a position that has a purpose. Remember, this is the first episode of STC. Who knows how this character will evolve. I have a feeling that since the actress is Vic's fiancee, she'll likely figure prominently... as counselor, advisor, etc."

Jim Kirk already has a "counselor/advisor etc ". His name is Leonard McCoy.
You know the counselor character wouldn't have bothered me, except that it seems from jump that this series is trying use to many TNG elements too quickly. You got both a holodeck scene and a counselor. Hell, you even got Marina Sirtis playing the computer voice.

If you're writing is strong, then relying on stunts like that aren't needed. The counselor character could have easily been a nurse but instead, as a nod to TNG, she was made a counselor. I don't mind nods to other series, as long as it's done in moderation.
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Old June 11 2013, 05:41 AM   #92
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I think that you reject Enterprise, tells me this whole thread is pointless. Enterprise is canon, whether you like it or not is irrelevant.

And all fan fiction is NOT canon and never will be.

So maybe it fits into your personal vision of what YOU want Star Trek to be, but you have already told me that is meaningless since you reject CBS canon.
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Old June 11 2013, 05:48 AM   #93
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I think that you reject Enterprise, tells me this whole thread is pointless. Enterprise is canon, whether you like it or not is irrelevant.

And all fan fiction is NOT canon and never will be.

So maybe it fits into your personal vision of what YOU want Star Trek to be, but you have already told me that is meaningless since you reject CBS canon.
I don't have to accept a damned thing. And neither do the creators of STC.
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Old June 11 2013, 07:30 AM   #94
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Re: "Pilgrim Of Eternity" - is it good enough?

Still, Warped9, you have to admit that by completely disavowing any officially produced series or film after 1991, you really are being something of a hypocrite about this. Shows and movies actually made by the people who own STAR TREK don't pass muster, yet you have the gall to ask if the latest fan production does? Seriously?

And even if you don't see the hypocrisy of it, or even admit that yeah, maybe it's a bit two faced to get so high and mighty about it, especially given that up until quite recently your expiration date, as it were for "good STAR TREK" was 1979, i think you'd be a little more magnanimous toward Loken who was simply observing a flaw in your logic, particularly given your nebulous idea of what constitutes "canon" to begin with.
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Old June 11 2013, 09:15 AM   #95
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I don't have to accept a damned thing.
More importantly, it doesn't matter what you do or do not accept. What is, is, regardless of your internal fantasies.
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Old June 11 2013, 11:12 AM   #96
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There is no hypocrisy. The question posed is whether anyone might consider this fan production good enough to be included alongside the rest of TOS. It's asking for a personal opinion. It isn't asking whether TPTB should accept it because it's given they never will.

The issue that I ignore most of contemporary Trek isn't hypocrisy. It's my personal choice just as I might not choose to collect an entire set of whatever simply because it doesn't suit me, and there is no law that compels me to either.

One thing very apparent to me, as well, is that I enjoyed "Pilgrim Of Eternity" far more than all the contemporary stuff I ignore. In this the issue of what is "official" is completely irrelevant.
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Old June 11 2013, 11:38 AM   #97
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The issue of what is "official" is completely irrelevant.
Then so is asking if this production is "official enough" or not.
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Old June 11 2013, 11:40 AM   #98
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The issue of what is "official" is completely irrelevant.
Then so is asking if this production is "official enough" or not.
How many times times does it have to be said? It's asking for a personal opinion!

If you don't want to participate than go elsewhere and talk about something that interests you.

Or do you need a government issue certificate of approval telling what you can or cannot like and enjoy?
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Old June 11 2013, 03:00 PM   #99
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except when i gave a personal opinion that was not completely 'yes this is awesome' you said this wasn't the place for that.
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Old June 11 2013, 03:59 PM   #100
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except when i gave a personal opinion that was not completely 'yes this is awesome' you said this wasn't the place for that.
I never said any such thing. If you don't like it then fine.

I was called hypocritical because I like a fan production while ignoring productions of "official" Trek. There is no hypocrisy in that whatsoever.
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Old June 11 2013, 05:00 PM   #101
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So from that perspective do you feel Star Trek Continues: "Pilgrim Of Eternity" is good enough to be considered as part of your sense of TOS' continuity?
You loaded the "No" option to make people look like they're inflexible if they want to vote against it being part of their personal continuity. Why makes the questions loaded? Why not a simple 'yes' or 'no' without the qualifiers?
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Old June 11 2013, 05:51 PM   #102
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So from that perspective do you feel Star Trek Continues: "Pilgrim Of Eternity" is good enough to be considered as part of your sense of TOS' continuity?
You loaded the "No" option to make people look like they're inflexible if they want to vote against it being part of their personal continuity. Why makes the questions loaded? Why not a simple 'yes' or 'no' without the qualifiers?
Bullshit!

I've had it with this. Just fuck it. You want to answer "no" than just say it and explain your reasons. Instead you like to be pissy about it.

To hell with it. I'm fed up with being scolded like a bad child just because I don't suck up everything cranked out with a brand on it. If I think something is shit then that's my business and I have nothing to apologize for.

Fuck it.
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O...kay then.
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Old June 11 2013, 06:00 PM   #104
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I've had it with this. Just fuck it. You want to answer "no" than just say it and explain your reasons. Instead you like to be pissy about it.

To hell with it. I'm fed up with being scolded like a bad child just because I don't suck up everything cranked out with a brand on it. If I think something is shit then that's my business and I have nothing to apologize for.

Fuck it.


I did answer it earlier in the thread. But you deep-sixed your own poll because of your dislike of certain material. You'd have gotten a better sampling if you'd simply put it up for a 'yes' or 'no' vote.

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I think efforts like these, while neat, only magnify the fact that Roddenberry and Company caught some very special lightning in the bottle nearly fifty years ago.

Pilgrims of Eternity was entertaining but suffers from many of the same flaws other TOS fan films: they use sixties sets and sixties uniforms but the stories just don't match the setting.

Some thoughts:

What exactly was the point of the Counselor? Beautiful actress though. Gene would've approved.

Why didn't the crispy-fried redshirt point his phaser away from the hull?

The roles the women played here made the Abrams films look downright progressive.

So, does a plague wipe out Apollo's little world at some point and then he holds Kirk responsible for not checking up on them? The Wrath of Apollo anyone?

Spock reminds me of Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory. That's not a good thing.

The actor playing Kirk needs to remember he's playing Kirk not William Shatner.
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Old June 11 2013, 07:21 PM   #105
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So from that perspective do you feel Star Trek Continues: "Pilgrim Of Eternity" is good enough to be considered as part of your sense of TOS' continuity?
You loaded the "No" option to make people look like they're inflexible if they want to vote against it being part of their personal continuity. Why makes the questions loaded? Why not a simple 'yes' or 'no' without the qualifiers?
Bullshit!

I've had it with this. Just fuck it. You want to answer "no" than just say it and explain your reasons. Instead you like to be pissy about it.

To hell with it. I'm fed up with being scolded like a bad child just because I don't suck up everything cranked out with a brand on it. If I think something is shit then that's my business and I have nothing to apologize for.

Fuck it.
Didn't we learn that the fan-productions also have an in-officially official stamp/brand of approval from CBS on them?
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