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View Poll Results: Is "Pilgrim of Eternity" good enough for your sense of continuity?
Yes, it felt enough like the real thing. 47 77.05%
No, I can only accept what's on TV or film. 10 16.39%
I don't know. 4 6.56%
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Old June 2 2013, 09:38 PM   #31
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Re: "Pilgrim Of Eternity" - is it good enough?

Great! The Sulu one will be tonight's entertainment after a bike ride.
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Old June 2 2013, 09:57 PM   #32
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Great! The Sulu one will be tonight's entertainment after a bike ride.
Uh, Sulu isn't the gay character in "Blood and Fire." In fact Sulu is definitely straight and also a father in the previous episode.
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Old June 2 2013, 10:31 PM   #33
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Just finished watching the two part "Blood and Fire." It quite closely follows the original novel. There are some changes, of course, by needing to fit within the Star Trek universe.
Which novel?

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Great! The Sulu one will be tonight's entertainment after a bike ride.
Uh, Sulu isn't the gay character in "Blood and Fire." In fact Sulu is definitely straight and also a father in the previous episode.
I don't think plynch is implying that Sulu is one of the gay characters in "Blood and Fire", but merely letting us know that he's going to watch "World Enough and Time" tonight.

As for the question, which episode of Phase II to watch first: I would go with "To Serve All My Days" and "World Enough and Time", both feature solid scripts, good and great acting and neat production values. When I saw those for the first time, I was blown away by their quality and the dedication of those who make these kind of fan films.

EDIT: Oh, I forgot about "The Child" which also works great. I especially liked the guest cast in this one, even if some of the plotting wasn't all that great.
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Just finished watching the two part "Blood and Fire." It quite closely follows the original novel. There are some changes, of course, by needing to fit within the Star Trek universe.
Which novel?

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Great! The Sulu one will be tonight's entertainment after a bike ride.
Uh, Sulu isn't the gay character in "Blood and Fire." In fact Sulu is definitely straight and also a father in the previous episode.
I don't think plynch is implying that Sulu is one of the gay characters in "Blood and Fire", but merely letting us know that he's going to watch "World Enough and Time" tonight.

As for the question, which episode of Phase II to watch first: I would go with "To Serve All My Days" and "World Enough and Time", both feature solid scripts, good and great acting and neat production values. When I saw those for the first time, I was blown away by their quality and the dedication of those who make these kind of fan films.

EDIT: Oh, I forgot about "The Child" which also works great. I especially liked the guest cast in this one, even if some of the plotting wasn't all that great.
David wrote "Blood and Fire" as a Next Generation episode in 1987. After the producers declined to make it, he took the story and reworked into the fourth novel of his "Star Wolf" book series in 2004 called Blood and Fire. After that, he reworked his original TNG script (along with Mr. Carlos Pedraza) into a script for New Voyages/Phase II, converting it into a Kirk-era story.

So after much trial and tribbleation, his story got produced. (David directed it for us, as well.)
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Old June 2 2013, 11:15 PM   #35
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I've watched about two thirds of "World Enough And Time," but then I was having a streaming glitch. I'll watch the rest a little later.
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Old June 2 2013, 11:48 PM   #36
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I'm struggling to understand how someone who is such a fervent advocate of TOS and fan films hasn't watched all of the Phase II episodes. Blows my mind a bit.
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Old June 2 2013, 11:56 PM   #37
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I'm curious, Warped9. Why did Star Trek stop in 1991?
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Old June 3 2013, 12:14 AM   #38
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I'm struggling to understand how someone who is such a fervent advocate of TOS and fan films hasn't watched all of the Phase II episodes. Blows my mind a bit.
I know lots of hardcore TOS fans who can't make it past one act of any fanfilm. Just because you like Star Trek doesn't mean you automatically like fan-made spinoffs.
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I'm curious, Warped9. Why did Star Trek stop in 1991?
It's the period when I lost interest. I'm okay with the first three or four seasons of TNG, but after that...not so much.


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I'm struggling to understand how someone who is such a fervent advocate of TOS and fan films hasn't watched all of the Phase II episodes. Blows my mind a bit.
I know lots of hardcore TOS fans who can't make it past one act of any fanfilm. Just because you like Star Trek doesn't mean you automatically like fan-made spinoffs.
Pretty much. I'm catching up on some of the fan films and I'm finding them okay, but missing in certain respects. But I do commend the dedication and enthusiasm behind them. "Pilgrim Of Eternity" is the first that has really impressed in most every respect.
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Old June 3 2013, 12:32 AM   #40
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I'm struggling to understand how someone who is such a fervent advocate of TOS and fan films hasn't watched all of the Phase II episodes. Blows my mind a bit.
I know lots of hardcore TOS fans who can't make it past one act of any fanfilm. Just because you like Star Trek doesn't mean you automatically like fan-made spinoffs.
I didn't say anything about liking them. I just don't understand why you wouldn't watch them as soon as they come out if you're a hardcore fan, that's all.
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I really don't have an unofficial continuity in my head. Partly because official Trek was/is so often contradictory. But watching this felt like episode 80, if that tells ya anything. Now I gotta check out Phase II. Anyone recommend the best ep of theirs to start with?
You could watch them in order (see below). But if you start with our not-too-good early ones, you might become disinclined to watch later, better ones. If you start with the better ones, you'll become disappointed if you hope for the same quality when you watch earlier ones.

I think there's consensus that "World Enough and Time" with George Takei as Sulu has the broadest appeal--sort of like Star Trek IV with the whales. I guess I'd start with that one. And then the episode written by David ("The Trouble With Tribbles") Gerrold, that he originally wrote as a never-actually-got-made Next Generation episode: "Blood and Fire."

Episode 0 (Pilot Episode): "Come What May"
Release: January 16, 2004
Running Time: 39:45

Episode 1: "In Harm's Way"
Release: October 8, 2004
Running Time: 57:29

Vignette 1: "Center Seat"
Release: March 17, 2006
Running Time: 5:46

Episode 2: "To Serve All My Days"
Release: November 23, 2006
Running Time: 59:59

Episode 3:"World Enough and Time"
Release: August 23, 2007
Running Time: 64:26

Episode 4: "Blood and Fire, Part One"
Release: December 20, 2008
Running Time: 43:47

Episode 5: "Blood and Fire, Part Two"
Release: November 20, 2009
Running Time: 54:54

Episode 6: "Enemy: Starfleet!" (working title was "Enemy Starfleet")
Release: April 16, 2011
Running Time: 58:06

Vignette 2: "No Win Scenario"
Release: October 8, 2011
Running Time: 8:59

Episode 7: "The Child"
Release: 4/2012
Running Time: TBD
I think I've seen all these over the years. The quality has definitely improved.

Funny, JC's acting improved so much I actually got used to seeing him as Kirk. John Kelley is no De Kelley, but he does a good job and I like his performance.

I didn't get Jeff Quinn's Spock at first, but I missed him when he was gone.

The rest of the cast has been decent, but as said above the kid playing young Chekov in "Days" was really good. I believed his performance.

Some of the stories haven't been so good, but some have bordered on great. "Time" and "Days" are very good and deserve the praise they've received.

Overall I enjoy NV/P2 and look forward to more.
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Old June 3 2013, 02:06 AM   #42
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I'm struggling to understand how someone who is such a fervent advocate of TOS and fan films hasn't watched all of the Phase II episodes. Blows my mind a bit.
I know lots of hardcore TOS fans who can't make it past one act of any fanfilm. Just because you like Star Trek doesn't mean you automatically like fan-made spinoffs.
I didn't say anything about liking them. I just don't understand why you wouldn't watch them as soon as they come out if you're a hardcore fan, that's all.
Because if you don't LIKE them you won't WATCH them.
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I have been more or less ignorant of them, though come to think of it, I saw the shuttle-in-garage William Windom one at a small convention in Marquette, MI. And re. my earlier Sulu comment I was replying to the recommendation to watch "World Enough."

To anyone connected with these -- I understand the tacit understanding w/ CBS is "no revenue." But I think you accept donations to the production company? They are ok with that, apparently? Still just curious, and feel free not to answer if it's to your benefit not to.

My earlier expressed interest in rights comes from writing a book about a famous figure, Louis Armstrong. I had to explore the concept of publicity rights, plus I was quoting primary sources found in secondary sources, which I had always done in academic writing. But now this one was for money (supposedly) . So I had to explore the whole gray mess that is fair use. Just read of a case involving EA and the likeness of college football players in their video games. Athletes are on one side and speech advocates on the other.

Rambling now. Time to go watch. Be well, imaginary friends.
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I know lots of hardcore TOS fans who can't make it past one act of any fanfilm. Just because you like Star Trek doesn't mean you automatically like fan-made spinoffs.
I didn't say anything about liking them. I just don't understand why you wouldn't watch them as soon as they come out if you're a hardcore fan, that's all.
Because if you don't LIKE them you won't WATCH them.
I think boobatuba was expressing surprise that someone would not watch a new release of a fan series based on their experience with earlier episodes. People do check out each new one, don't they, when they are released? They don't indict and refrain from watching new releases based on dissatisfaction with earlier releases, do they? (I think was his point.)
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Old June 3 2013, 03:03 AM   #45
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I didn't get that from his sentence at all.
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