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Old June 1 2013, 12:55 PM   #16
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Re: Why did Spock show emotion around Pike?

That was the brilliance of having Spock as a human/Vulcan hybrid. From a story telling perspective it allowed (and still allows writers) the opportunity to give him so much depth.
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Old June 1 2013, 03:13 PM   #17
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Re: Why did Spock show emotion around Pike?

Well, Spock's always had issues when it came to controlling his emotions. No wonder he sought the Kholinar.
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Old June 1 2013, 04:38 PM   #18
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What is the story they tell?
And, in addition to the detail provided above, when the character of Chapel was created and cast, NBC people immediately recognized Majel...but didn't want to rock the boat with Roddenberry, so they let her play in a minor role.
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Old June 1 2013, 04:40 PM   #19
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Re: Why did Spock show emotion around Pike?

Possible In-universe explanation: when we see Spock serving with Pike, he is younger and more inexperienced than when we see the more reserved Spock of the Kirk era. The younger Spock was perhaps overcompanstating a bit, trying to find a way to fit in better with all the emotional humans he was stuck hanging around with. We see much the same sort of behavior with Saavik in STII later on (though by the time we see her in STIII, she's apparantly decided to exercise a lot more self-control in public).
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Old June 2 2013, 05:42 PM   #20
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Re: Why did Spock show emotion around Pike?

Spock as a hybrid: hmm. The suppression of emotion is a cultural thing on Vulcan, a practice learned over time (see the kids in "Yesteryear" and Trek '09). So being half-Vulcan would not biologically make him less prone to emotion. If anything, with what they say about their planet's past, they are, in their genes, MORE "barbaric" (read impulsive/emotional) than Terrans. So being half-biologically Vulcan doesn't should not naturally produce a more stoic being.

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So: In 1964 GR writes his main female character without a personal name, referring to her with a numerical code that implies superiority. She is all cold and unfeeling. THEN he marries the actress he hired to portray her and casts her as nurse: the nurturing, mothering profession of all time -- and gives her a religious name. Then writes her a part as a domineering mother (stereotypical mother-in-law) twenty years later; and uses her as the voice of ultra-reason and intelligence, the computer.

Dude needed the analyst's couch more than the casting couch he is said to have used.
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Old June 3 2013, 05:46 PM   #21
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So: In 1964 GR writes his main female character without a personal name, referring to her with a numerical code that implies superiority. She is all cold and unfeeling. THEN he marries the actress he hired to portray her and casts her as nurse: the nurturing, mothering profession of all time -- and gives her a religious name. Then writes her a part as a domineering mother (stereotypical mother-in-law) twenty years later; and uses her as the voice of ultra-reason and intelligence, the computer.
GR married Barrett in 1969, when the show had already been cancelled.
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Old June 3 2013, 07:27 PM   #22
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I belive it was mostly emulation to better fit in with the mostly human crew.
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Old June 4 2013, 03:41 AM   #23
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So: In 1964 GR writes his main female character without a personal name, referring to her with a numerical code that implies superiority. She is all cold and unfeeling. THEN he marries the actress he hired to portray her and casts her as nurse: the nurturing, mothering profession of all time -- and gives her a religious name. Then writes her a part as a domineering mother (stereotypical mother-in-law) twenty years later; and uses her as the voice of ultra-reason and intelligence, the computer.
GR married Barrett in 1969, when the show had already been cancelled.
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Old June 7 2013, 12:34 AM   #24
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Spock's odd behavior in "The Cage" always puts a smile on my face.

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Old June 7 2013, 12:53 AM   #25
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Re: Why did Spock show emotion around Pike?

The fact is, they hadn't finalised much at the time of The Cage, a lot of things could change, and it's pretty much the norm in TV shows. For example in the NCIS opening episode, Gibbs meets Fornell for the first time, yet later it's been established that not only did Fornell marry one of Gibbs's ex-wives, but that Gibbs had also warned him off! And that's a show not in the fast-and-loose '60's when continuity wasn't a big issue.

However, both Pike and Number One were both very logical and business-like characters, so having Spock be the same would have actually alienated viewers as they'd be unable to relate to any of the big-three characters.

In story though, we could always just put it down to Spock's "teenage" rebellious years, which he'd worked mostly out of his system by the time Kirk took command.
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Old June 7 2013, 02:30 AM   #26
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If Spock were just a Vulcan, he'd be pretty boring because quite frankly, Vulcans are pretty dull to have around. What makes Spock interesting is precisely the fact that he is half-human and therefore prone to having those rare moments of emotionalism that make us love him.

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Old June 7 2013, 09:52 PM   #27
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Possible In-universe explanation: when we see Spock serving with Pike, he is younger and more inexperienced than when we see the more reserved Spock of the Kirk era. The younger Spock was perhaps overcompanstating a bit, trying to find a way to fit in better with all the emotional humans he was stuck hanging around with. We see much the same sort of behavior with Saavik in STII later on (though by the time we see her in STIII, she's apparantly decided to exercise a lot more self-control in public).
Agreed. As can be expected of those that are mindful of improvement and developing as people and professionals, Spock had matured by the time he became 1st officer. Referencing that key mother-son moment from Journey to Babel, Amanda described how Spock, as a boy, would be out of sorts after facing the ridicule of his peers. Those peers were undoubtedly Vulcan boys, not half human/half Vulcan. With that one can see that maturity and discipline go hand in hand with Vulcan culture, and that both are attained over time.
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Old June 21 2013, 10:53 PM   #28
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Earlier conception of the character.
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