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Old June 20 2013, 06:01 PM   #46
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Re: Anti-Borg technology and tactics

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I think people overestimate the Borg's interest in the Federation, there are thousands of worlds they can conquer and the Feds just happened to be a passing opportunity to find out what they are about.
But they were intrested enough to go back in time and try and assimilate earth.
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Old June 20 2013, 06:47 PM   #47
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I think people overestimate the Borg's interest in the Federation, there are thousands of worlds they can conquer and the Feds just happened to be a passing opportunity to find out what they are about.
But they were intrested enough to go back in time and try and assimilate earth.
They sent another cube , no big deal, they have thousands of ships operating concurrently in the galaxy, earth is no more a prize to them than any other world they routinely take.
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Old June 20 2013, 09:03 PM   #48
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Really. The Borg were quite capable of assimilating Earth whenever they wanted to. See what I did there?
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Old June 20 2013, 09:15 PM   #49
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It seems pretty destructive as the enterprise had to go to warp to get away from it.
Well, she had no shields. If in full repair and outside the disrupting nebula, she might have weathered the Genesis wave just fine for all we can tell.

ST:FC doesn't look too illogical to me; it's more in the "Ooh, they didn't tell us everything - how alien and mysterious!" category. One possible scenario has the Borg coming in for their second attempt at assimilating Earth and its technological secrets; finding this too difficult, they launch plan B, which is to destroy Earth's ability to develop these Collective-threatening technologies. And this requires preventing Earth from creating the Federation, which is easily accomplished by killing the one man who can lift Earth from post-WWIII apocalypse by making it worth the Vulcans' while to come and help. As a side benefit, the Borg win a free (if now uninteresting) planet that they can use for whatever they do with planets.

Or then Plan B was always their one and only goal here, as they had already decided the Federation was too much a hassle to assimilate and too big a nuisance to leave be, and had chosen to nip all that in the bud with a bit of time travel. They still went from Borglandia to Earth in the 24th rather than 21st century because... Well, perhaps simply because they wanted to assimilate the latest Starfleet technologies and tactics before they nullified Starfleet altogether, and a suicide run with a Cube would accomplish that. Or then because back in the 21st century, there were obstacles between Borghome and Earth much bigger than mere Starfleet.

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Old June 20 2013, 09:45 PM   #50
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Correct me if Im wrong but by first contact the borg would have just started there war with 8472.

Seeing as that went bad fast Im wondering if the Borg did'nt send the sphere back in time to take modern borg tec along with modern fed tec back in time to give the borg a big boost so when they eventualy encounted 8472 they would be 300 more advanced.
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Old June 20 2013, 10:19 PM   #51
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Genesis
What Genesis? Khan killed everyone who worked on it except for Drs. Marcus and Marcus then blew it up together with himself the ship and most importantly the computer. Kruge destroyed the scence vessel which was studying the planet. and killed David Marcus.

Kruge died. Valkris died. Torg died.

That leaves Carol as the only person knowledgeable about it. And even if she tried to re-develop it, without David's secret -- protomatter -- it probably wouldnt work at all.

(it would depend on Saavik to tell about it --or Maltz! he survived!--, but I dont think she would. She must hate Genesis. She didnt like prtomatter BEFORE she lost her BF and got knocked by a zombie because of it.

There is no more Genesis for anyone.
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Old June 20 2013, 11:39 PM   #52
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protomatter -- it probably wouldnt work at all.
Shouldnt need too work just go bang!

We are blowing up borg cubes not terraforming here.

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She must hate Genesis. She didnt like prtomatter BEFORE she lost her BF and got knocked by a zombie because of it.
Im sure assimilation is so much better.....


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There is no more Genesis for anyone.
Even though it will be all on starfleet computers. Scientists record there work, and it seems that those recording were given to starfleet as Kirk was debriefed on it by starfleet. It would be top secret but still there, no way they would delete it!. And section 31 would certainly have all the data.



Also seeing as Klingon and Romulan drones seem to be quite prevalent it seem the Romulans and Klingon have come under attack so Im guessing they have found some way to resist seeing as Quo nos and Romulus are not borg worlds. With the Romulans it may be due to there devlopmnet of thalaron weapons, kill the organic parts of the borg and render them useless. Of couse they would eventually adapt but I could see it working for a bit.

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Old June 21 2013, 12:25 AM   #53
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Some possibilities:

A. Data writes a program for each ship in the attacking fleet to perform multiple Picard maneuvers, hitting the cube(s) with phasers and torpedos every time each ship stops. No way to predict where the ships will appear next.

B. Old Spock supplies Young Spock with the formula for Red Matter. The future fleet carries RM weapons for special occasions to either fire or beam into a cube, creating a mini-singularity that swallows the cube.

C. Tribbles. Lots and lots of tribbles.

D. All of the above.
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Old June 21 2013, 04:33 AM   #54
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protomatter -- it probably wouldnt work at all.
Shouldnt need too work just go bang!
Starfleet already has things that go bang. Genesis DOES NOT go bang; its effect is more similar to V'ger's glowing torpedo bolts that hit one little corner of your ship and then spreads through the skin like an electric rash.

That probably isn't the kind of effect you'd get without protomatter, even if you're not trying to stabilize the end result into some kind of productive matrix.

Even though it will be all on starfleet computers.
Its EXISTENCE would, yes. Not the design plans, development notes or any of the pertinent data you would need to build your own. This, if you remember, was the whole reason why Khan went and killed everyone: the data wasn't in Reliant's computer, and they scrubbed every trace of it from Regula-1. If they put backups anywhere it would be in the cave underneath that little planetoid, and THAT was probably absorbed into the Genesis planet when Reliant exploded.

Scientists record there work...
And went to some rather elaborate means to erase those records just hours before they were massacred by a genetically engineered lunatic.
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Old June 21 2013, 04:37 AM   #55
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C. Tribbles. Lots and lots of tribbles.
That might work, but it might also backfire horribly.
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Old June 21 2013, 04:38 AM   #56
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protomatter -- it probably wouldnt work at all.
Shouldnt need too work just go bang!

We are blowing up borg cubes not terraforming here.
Agreed, but

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Even though it will be all on starfleet computers.
I think David put the protomatter in there secretly. No one knew and he died. The secret died with him (for that matter, Kruge should win a Stupid Award).

Saavik, even after being told about the protomatter, declared she had no knowledge of the Genesis torpedo Kruge wanted. Since Vulcans don't lie, that was it.

And Starfleet? well, the tape Starfleet had that Kirk, Spock and McCoy saw was one year old at that point. The rest of it was in the computer Khan stole and was destroyed. The backup tapes in Regula 1 were erased by the team when they fled the station or were collected by the Grisson -- oops.
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Old June 21 2013, 04:57 AM   #57
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The backup tapes in Regula 1 were erased by the team when they fled the station or were collected by the Grisson -- oops.
Yeah, I forgot about that... in the novelization of Wrath of Khan, Grissom went and collected the backup cache David and Carol used to hide the Genesis data before then proceeding to Genesis to survey the planet itself.

And then Kruge destroyed Grissom and killed the only scientist left who knew how to make it work.
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Old June 21 2013, 12:54 PM   #58
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If you have a better explanation...
ANYthing is a better explanation than that assenine Temporal Cold War nonsense.
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Old June 21 2013, 06:48 PM   #59
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I'm waiting for yours, then...
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Old June 21 2013, 09:01 PM   #60
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I'm waiting for yours, then...
The borg encounterd 8472 about that time.
Seeing as that went bad fast Im wondering if the Borg did'nt send the sphere back in time to take modern borg tec along with modern fed tec back in time to give the borg a big boost so when they eventualy encounted 8472 they would be 300 more advanced.

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