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Old June 4 2013, 05:43 PM   #61
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Re: Microsoft to restore the Start Button in Windows 8.1

This whole subscription thing is nuts. It's the epitome of greed.
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Old June 4 2013, 07:36 PM   #62
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Re: Microsoft to restore the Start Button in Windows 8.1

Not to mention the epitome of insulting and stupid.
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Old June 5 2013, 09:07 AM   #63
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Perhaps the fact that the more recent Windows OS haven't sold as well as perhaps MS expected is done to them not providing the consumer with the product they want. XP for example is still widely used. So it must have done something right.
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Old June 5 2013, 09:13 AM   #64
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Perhaps the fact that the more recent Windows OS haven't sold as well as perhaps MS expected is done to them not providing the consumer with the product they want. XP for example is still widely used. So it must have done something right.
Part of the problem is that the most recent OS pretty much ignored desktop and laptop users, which is Microsoft's largest user base. It's like selling clothes for men, women, and children, and then selling clothes just made for men. One shouldn't be surprised at the sudden drop in sales when most women or children aren't buying the merchandise.

Windows 7 was a very successful product. Windows 8 isn't. Instead of Microsoft working on fixing that, they're slapping a button on it and calling it a solution.
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Old June 5 2013, 09:28 AM   #65
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Well it is a solution, perhaps not just the best solution. I've got one machine that runs vista, and one that runs Win7, both do what I need them to do so I see no reason to upgrade.
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Old June 5 2013, 01:55 PM   #66
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What IT guys in their right mind would want to update a company to the latest version of MS operating system??? It's virtually a truism in the industry to stay one generation behind (and sometimes skip a generation) to give time for MS to work out the bugs.
A generation behind? Most companies I deal with are still using Windows XP, let alone Vista or 7 or 8.
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Old June 5 2013, 02:31 PM   #67
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What IT guys in their right mind would want to update a company to the latest version of MS operating system??? It's virtually a truism in the industry to stay one generation behind (and sometimes skip a generation) to give time for MS to work out the bugs.
Yep, I work for a Fortune 100 company and we are always at least one version behind. A little frustrating for me at times but I'm sure much less frustrating entriprise wide versus going with the latest and "greatest".
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Old June 5 2013, 03:23 PM   #68
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I dont get the Win 8 hate. Yeah, Metro isnt great, but overall its like Win 7 with a couple enhancements.
With Metro/Modern, which dominates everything like a tablet OS. On a desktop.
But it doesn't dominate everything, if you've got a desktop you'll use the desktop just like in previous editions of Windows. While the 'Start Screen' replaces the 'Start Menu' it duplicates its functionality in every way so you're not really losing anything at all. And with Windows 8.1 you'll be able to avoid all the metro/modern elements altogether if you really want to.
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Old June 5 2013, 09:23 PM   #69
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I highly doubt that Microsoft will charge a monthly fee for simply using windows itself, office and some other productivity programs maybe. but there will be freeware alternatives out there anyway: (openoffice, gimp). I really do think Microsoft Screwed up the marketing and the focus of Win8, it would have been simple to have Windows detect whether a touch screen was present on device upon setup and if not boot to the desktop mode. Anyway, that being said, the OS itself isn't bad, but microsoft has sure given the "Apple can do no wrong crowd" ammunition.
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Old June 5 2013, 09:29 PM   #70
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What IT guys in their right mind would want to update a company to the latest version of MS operating system??? It's virtually a truism in the industry to stay one generation behind (and sometimes skip a generation) to give time for MS to work out the bugs.
A generation behind? Most companies I deal with are still using Windows XP, let alone Vista or 7 or 8.
Just goes to show how good XP was for most users.
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Old June 5 2013, 09:42 PM   #71
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The Windows 8 operating system facilitates Windows Apps, something that Windows 7 can't do.
What are "Windows Apps"?
They're "apps" as in the same thing that Apple does for iPad. In essence, what that means is that Windows 8 will be the only Windows OS going forward that will have the ability to download "apps." If you're using Windows 7 or earlier, you'll just have to download programs to your desktop or laptop.
So it's like the Mac App Store, then?
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Old June 5 2013, 11:36 PM   #72
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I dont get the Win 8 hate. Yeah, Metro isnt great, but overall its like Win 7 with a couple enhancements.
With Metro/Modern, which dominates everything like a tablet OS. On a desktop.
But it doesn't dominate everything, if you've got a desktop you'll use the desktop just like in previous editions of Windows. While the 'Start Screen' replaces the 'Start Menu' it duplicates its functionality in every way so you're not really losing anything at all. And with Windows 8.1 you'll be able to avoid all the metro/modern elements altogether if you really want to.
I hope so, because Windows 9 will likely be based on this OS.

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What are "Windows Apps"?
They're "apps" as in the same thing that Apple does for iPad. In essence, what that means is that Windows 8 will be the only Windows OS going forward that will have the ability to download "apps." If you're using Windows 7 or earlier, you'll just have to download programs to your desktop or laptop.
So it's like the Mac App Store, then?
Yep.
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Old June 8 2013, 02:41 AM   #73
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Unfortunately, my wife's computer died on her, so I had to order her a new one. The best deal was on a Windows 8 laptop, so that's what she's using now. Personally, I think all the changes just make life difficult for anybody without a touch screen. I'm happy to hear about the start button, though. It's the least they could offer.
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Unfortunately, my wife's computer died on her, so I had to order her a new one. The best deal was on a Windows 8 laptop, so that's what she's using now. Personally, I think all the changes just make life difficult for anybody without a touch screen. I'm happy to hear about the start button, though. It's the least they could offer.
Now there's a slogan: "Windows 8: It's the least we can offer."

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Old June 8 2013, 01:27 PM   #75
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Just got my lovely new PC with Win7 - and now that I've configured and personalised it and everything's running smooth as silk, my happy is good. Although I did get rid of the start button, ironically enough.
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