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Old June 5 2013, 09:22 AM   #136
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Re: Why Janeway is the Worst Star Trek Captain!

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I Refute you thus!



Well, of course not. Where did that come from? You should at least read and understand a post before responding to it.
You mean your post about how choosing a man to fertilize your eggs rather than a woman is sexist?

I said read and understand. I was hoping you could extrapolate from the extreme example I gave. Let me try again.

You are in a forest, and certain shades of red berries are poisonous. You have one group of men and one group of women, and all you know about them is what you see. Would you pick one of the women for berry detail, or one of the men? Or maybe you would use some other attribute to choose(e.g., height).

If you picked a woman, you're more likely to live. But if you picked her because of he sex (maybe knowing that women perceive color better than men) you are a sexist. You have discriminated for her based on her sex.
Well you could always ask if anyone of them knew anything about what potential food stuffs to avoid in a forrest. Or observe other creatures to see what they avoided eating.
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Old June 5 2013, 09:23 AM   #137
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There's no time to "observe"! We're dying here, we need berries!!
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Old June 5 2013, 06:26 PM   #138
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If you wanted to live you'd pick me, because I've been tested to have perfect color perception. It's kind of like perfect pitch, but with color.
I would always pick the lovely Teya, no matter what.


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Dude.

That study is almost four hundred years out of date!
WOW!!!! You think a Stanford Research Paper relevant to the unique elements that form a basic part of human life is out of date after 10 years??? Maybe you misread the publication date: February 2003.

Well, I have to go and dispose of my copy of Shadish's Experimental and Quasi-Experimental Designs for Generalized Causal Inference--way too old, published in 2001.


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There's no time to "observe"! We're dying here, we need berries!!
Then choose, Teacake, choose quickly.

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Old June 5 2013, 08:28 PM   #139
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FWIW, inconsistency can lead to more complications in the story and complexity in characterization.
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Old June 5 2013, 08:48 PM   #140
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Inconsistancy is bad characterisation, most people behave in a consistant way (most of the time). They don't tend to fluctuate back and forth on a weekly basis.
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Old June 5 2013, 10:31 PM   #141
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Janeway wasn't particularly inconsistent. In Caretaker, it was clearly established that she'd bend the rules to do the humane thing, and that's pretty consistently what she did.

Seven of Nine was sometimes proud of being Borg and sometimes virulently antiBorg. She was sometimes harsh, domineering and arrogant and other times a timorous naïf hurt by the mean people around her. These really are inconsistencies, and they really could flip from one week to the next. Since this inconsistency is rarely (be honest, never!) held against the character, it's not true that Janeway was disliked for being inconsistent.
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Old June 5 2013, 10:41 PM   #142
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There's no time to "observe"! We're dying here, we need berries!!
Then choose, Teacake, choose quickly.
You can do it. Try not to come back too soon.
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Old June 5 2013, 11:34 PM   #143
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Dude.

That study is almost four hundred years out of date!
WOW!!!! You think a Stanford Research Paper relevant to the unique elements that form a basic part of human life is out of date after 10 years??? Maybe you misread the publication date: February 2003.

Well, I have to go and dispose of my copy of Shadish's Experimental and Quasi-Experimental Designs for Generalized Causal Inference--way too old, published in 2001.
I didn't say it was 10 years out of date.

You need to think more fourth dimensionally.

(It's amazing how often I have to type that quote.)
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Old June 6 2013, 12:56 AM   #144
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Dude.

That study is almost four hundred years out of date!
WOW!!!! You think a Stanford Research Paper relevant to the unique elements that form a basic part of human life is out of date after 10 years??? Maybe you misread the publication date: February 2003.

Well, I have to go and dispose of my copy of Shadish's Experimental and Quasi-Experimental Designs for Generalized Causal Inference--way too old, published in 2001.
I didn't say it was 10 years out of date.

You need to think more fourth dimensionally.

(It's amazing how often I have to type that quote.)
But long winded titles are authoritative, aren't they? Surely, they speak to the vast erudition of the reader and their self-evident intelligence so easily inferred from the presence of such weighty tomes on their shelves?
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Old June 6 2013, 01:56 AM   #145
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WOW!!!! You think a Stanford Research Paper relevant to the unique elements that form a basic part of human life is out of date after 10 years??? Maybe you misread the publication date: February 2003.

Well, I have to go and dispose of my copy of Shadish's Experimental and Quasi-Experimental Designs for Generalized Causal Inference--way too old, published in 2001.
I didn't say it was 10 years out of date.

You need to think more fourth dimensionally.

(It's amazing how often I have to type that quote.)
But long winded titles are authoritative, aren't they? Surely, they speak to the vast erudition of the reader and their self-evident intelligence so easily inferred from the presence of such weighty tomes on their shelves?
If that title intimidated you, I'm sure you stayed out of your university's library at all costs. I used the title because it is a fine example of a book as useful today as when it was written for designing or interpreting experiments in the behavioral and social sciences .
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Old June 6 2013, 02:06 AM   #146
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That study doesn't even take into account the Eugenics war which ceased 7 years before it's publication.

Half the planet is dead and Stanford just keeps on trucking as if the human condition hasn't been altered irrevocably.
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Old June 6 2013, 02:07 AM   #147
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Academia is full of herberts.
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Old June 6 2013, 02:08 AM   #148
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There's no time to "observe"! We're dying here, we need berries!!
Then choose, Teacake, choose quickly.
You can do it. Try not to come back too soon.
I'm back! I missed you. Here are some special berries I brought back for you. (And no court will convict me: I did't have the color acuity necessary to choose the correct shade of red. You should have picked from the women!)
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Old June 6 2013, 02:17 AM   #149
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But if I die because you are too XY to ask for berry sorting help the whole landing party will suffer. I'm very important.
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Old June 6 2013, 02:57 AM   #150
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But if I die because you are too XY to ask for berry sorting help the whole landing party will suffer. I'm very important.
Yes, you were.
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