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Old June 2 2013, 12:27 PM   #31
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Re: QonoS and its moon

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Of course, such gutted planets are pretty but unrealistic. The body's own gravity pull would quickly crunch the remaining hulk back into a sphere.
Unless it were torn apart by tidal forces to form a ring around its primary.
In which case it still wound't be the shattered eggshell looking thing seen in as the moon and all over the end titles.
'Twouldn't!
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Old June 2 2013, 02:06 PM   #32
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My guess is Praxis, and clearly part of the surface of Kronos is abandoned and laid waste. I really like this kind of unrefered to tie in to the prime universe...and it looked fantastic on screen.
I noticed the moon but did not give much thought to the planet surface. I am wondering if we are seeing a precursor to a future film with this scene. I remember from all of earlier speculation that this was to be a Klingon film and that they were marauding nomads. This could explain a lot.
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Old June 2 2013, 02:28 PM   #33
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Perhaps Praxis exploded earlier because the Klingons stepped up their mining efforts after their fleet was laid waste by the Narada. There could be any number of explanations.
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Old June 3 2013, 03:15 PM   #34
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Of course, such gutted planets are pretty but unrealistic. The body's own gravity pull would quickly crunch the remaining hulk back into a sphere.
Well, maybe it was on its way to doing that.
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Old June 3 2013, 03:21 PM   #35
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Of course, such gutted planets are pretty but unrealistic. The body's own gravity pull would quickly crunch the remaining hulk back into a sphere.
Well, maybe it was on its way to doing that.
In that case, it literally just exploded.
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Old June 3 2013, 04:01 PM   #36
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Obviously Khan blew it up.
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Old June 3 2013, 04:05 PM   #37
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Well they did say transwarp beaming was dangerous, they just didn't say who for
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Old June 9 2013, 06:45 PM   #38
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And as the ship is being torn apart, Kirk puts Enterprise on a collision course with the Klingon ship and then orders his crew to get into thruster suits. As the Klingons blow Enterprise to pieces, the crew flies through the debris and boards the Klingon ship, fight their way to the command pod and take it over. But not before the Klingon commander manages to take pregnant Carol Marcus hostage, forcing Kirk to have a dramatic face off on the Klingon bridge which is finally resolved by Kirk shooting out the airlock with his phaser and then kicking the Klingon out of it in an oddly satisfying fusion of "Aliens" and TSFS "I... have had... enough... of you!"

We have our climax, ladies and gentlemen! All we have to do is hack the rest of this together and it's in the can!
As long as it doesn't end with this shot, we're good:
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Old June 10 2013, 04:19 AM   #39
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^^Don't worry, it's not chaotic enough for Abrams standards.
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Old June 10 2013, 12:42 PM   #40
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If Praxis indeed blew up much earlier in this timeline, it would spell disaster for the Federation considering the Praxis explosion and the humanitarian aid the Federation sent were the final bricks that eventually culminated in the Khitomer accord and brought peace between Klingon Empire and the United Federation of Planets.
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Old June 10 2013, 09:48 PM   #41
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^^Don't worry, it's not chaotic enough for Abrams standards.
And not nearly enough lens flare.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:27 AM   #42
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^^Don't worry, it's not chaotic enough for Abrams standards.
And not nearly enough lens flare.
I don't get this criticism from Star Trek fans. Especially Original Series era. Star Trek as it was made was pretty much all about being over the top chaos featuring Kirk, Spock, and McCoy most of the time. And there were a lot of stories far more ridiculous in TOS and even in the Original cast movies, The Search for God in STV, Whales saving the Earth in IV, and I won't even go into how ridiculous some of the TOS episodes story lines were. That's what made them great though. Being chaotic and over the top is pretty much what Star Trek is for me. I don't like discussion/technobabble resets that pretty much became almost all of TNG era.
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Old June 12 2013, 05:44 AM   #43
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Of course, such gutted planets are pretty but unrealistic. The body's own gravity pull would quickly crunch the remaining hulk back into a sphere.
Well, maybe it was on its way to doing that.
I think it would happen almost immediately as the weight of miles of rock under gravity would overcome its tensile strength pretty fast, crack and fall towards the gravitational center. It might be lumpyfor a while, but it's not going to to be a half-hollow shell.
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Old June 12 2013, 06:13 AM   #44
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Of course, such gutted planets are pretty but unrealistic. The body's own gravity pull would quickly crunch the remaining hulk back into a sphere.
Well, maybe it was on its way to doing that.
I think it would happen almost immediately as the weight of miles of rock under gravity would overcome its tensile strength pretty fast, crack and fall towards the gravitational center. It might be lumpyfor a while, but it's not going to to be a half-hollow shell.
I guess the only thing worth adding to all this is that, in TUC, the Praxis explosion generated a subspace shock wave. There was some of that magic science fiction technology at work, to "explain" how the shock wave could so dramatically and immediately reach Excelsior, many light-years away.

So, one could apply some of that same handwavium, so that other forces, perhaps originating in subspace, are holding the moon's particles near each other in a way that conventional gravity would not. The space around the moon could be lethal; the particles not hanging in space the way they normally should could be taken as a sign to keep away. "Ill space, do not enter."
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Old June 12 2013, 07:08 AM   #45
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For an explosion to have a subspace shockwave, wouldn't that imply that the cause was somehow subspace related?

In ST VI, Praxis is identified as a Klingon moon.

I have thoughts about this moon.

Valtane:
Yes, sir. I have confirmed the location of Praxis, sir, but...
Sulu:
What is it?
Valtane:
I cannot confirm the existence of Praxis.
...
Rand:
Captain, I'm getting a message from Praxis.
What's happening? Some of the ship's sensors can't detect the moon, but other sensors can visualize the moon. Then there is the message from a moon that was destroyed. How did Kerla transmit from a destroyed moon that doesn't exist?

Later, in the briefing I learned, from Spock:

The moon's decimation means a deadly pollution of their ozone.
I am led to believe by some sources that the moon's explosion caused this event. Yet, wouldn't the explosion have devastated the atmosphere, by blowing a portion of it off the planet? Early, I learned that Praxis was a key energy production facility. Was this facility manufacturing a product not found elsewhere that continually replenished the ozone layer of Qo'noS? And, when this source was destroyed, the Klingons didn't have a second location for this product, and the planet would be using the reserves to replenish the ozone layer?
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