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Old May 28 2013, 02:28 PM   #46
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Re: Babylon 5 - Why 'Sinclair' left the show

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On the other hand, I wouldn't have thought my opinion of Doyle could go much lower, but it has.
Yea, he did great playing Garibaldi, but, it seems Bester's paranoia conditioning may have had lasting effects on Jerry Doyle's pysche

Thanks for posting this Jan
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Old May 28 2013, 03:34 PM   #47
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It is very sad to hear about on why he left.
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Old May 28 2013, 09:57 PM   #48
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Thank you for sharing this, Jan.
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Old May 29 2013, 09:57 PM   #49
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Re: Babylon 5 - Why 'Sinclair' left the show

Not quite on the subject of Michael O'Hare, but for those who are interested, video of two-hour reunion panel is now online.
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Old May 29 2013, 11:08 PM   #50
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That tribute video was great. Having only watched B5 for the first time recently (and really enjoying it) I didn't know some of the people had died. It was a very well done video.
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Old May 31 2013, 04:39 AM   #51
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Yes, thanks very much. Threads like this are one of the reasons I come to this board.
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Old May 31 2013, 04:59 AM   #52
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Having only watched B5 for the first time recently (and really enjoying it)...
Wait, you enjoyed something? ALL RIGHT, WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH kirk55555?!?
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Old May 31 2013, 06:16 AM   #53
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Video of JMS talking about Michael O'Hare's departure now up:

http://youtu.be/4yjOsaa7XL4
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Old June 1 2013, 02:49 PM   #54
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I have to admit, when I just saw the thread title, and not the OP's name, I did an eye roll and thought, "Not this again." I was not expecting this.

Thanks, Jan, for sharing that. Too often we're inundated by celebrities that use and abuse their fame (Lindsay Lohan, Amanda Bynes, etc.), and of course, all the stories people have of sci-fi actors, who, when people meet them are rude, etc.

I never much cared why Michael O'Hare left the show, save I always knew it wasn't because of his ability as an actor. I fully believe he played Sinclair the way JMS wanted, and that the so-called "woodenness" of his acting, was a choice, considering who Sinclair is and what he went through.

This story speaks to courage, trust, and friendship. It also speaks to what made Babylon 5 so great, it had a creator who, while focused on the product, was also concerned with those who were behind it.
Now that I know, I'm even more saddened than I was before-what happened to him sounded like what really happened to Edward Platt (the 'Chief' on Get Smart) and what we now know was the real reason for George Reeves committing suicide that nobody but his co-star Jack Larson could face-he was depressed.

And yet, I'm relieved about this revelation, as we all now know the actual truth, and don't just believe that it was typical actor bullcrap on his part. Thank you, Jan and Mike.

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On the other hand, I wouldn't have thought my opinion of Doyle could go much lower, but it has.
Yea, he did great playing Garibaldi, but, it seems Bester's paranoia conditioning may have had lasting effects on Jerry Doyle's psyche.
More like neocon paranoia at the USA not being what he wants it to be and also not having his career go the way it should, I'd say.

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Old June 1 2013, 05:21 PM   #55
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More like neocon paranoia at the USA not being what he wants it to be and also not having his career go the way it should, I'd say.
Much as I dislike Jerry Doyle, I have to say that I think he sticks with each career he's had for exactly as long as he wants to. He's been a stock broker, a pilot, an actor, a politician, author and now a long-time talk radio host.

JMS posted a link to video of the serious part of the panel last night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utUTN16rrEc

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Old June 1 2013, 09:32 PM   #56
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I have to admit (somewhat shamefully) that when I read Jan's original post, the first thought that crossed my mind was along the lines of "what do you know, Doyle was right. He really was a "nut".

I'm not saying I agree with that assessment, but on balance it seems that his accounts of O'Hares erratic behavior were at least honest...that is to say honest from his particular vantage over on Planet Jerry. I suppose what I'm getting at is that while he may be a self centered, over opinionated git, he at least appears to be and an honest self centered, over opinionated git. The truth after all, really is a three-edged sword.
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Old June 1 2013, 11:12 PM   #57
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Well...technically, it's "Understanding is a three-edged sword". Your side, their side and the truth in the middle.

Enough about him. I'm just glad that Michael had true friends like JMS, Kathryn Drennan, Sandra Bruckner and others who cared and who tried to help him. They're the ones who deserve attention but never sought it. I'm grateful that I got to hang out with Sandy a bit during the convention.

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Old June 1 2013, 11:24 PM   #58
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Well...technically, it's "Understanding is a three-edged sword". Your side, their side and the truth in the middle.
I stand corrected, but my point stands.

Enough about him. I'm just glad that Michael had true friends like JMS, Kathryn Drennan, Sandra Bruckner and others who cared and who tried to help him. They're the ones who deserve attention but never sought it. I'm grateful that I got to hang out with Sandy a bit during the convention.

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OK, this is a little more personal than I usually like to get but...yeah, speaking as someone with a family history of mental illness and having been witness to a full-on mental breakdown/departure from reality, one very nearly so and numerous episodes of paranoid schizophrenia (all different people--pardon the pun) I can totally appreciate and respect what O'Hare went though and what it took for those that stood by him to help him though it all.

We can all only hope that at our lowest times there'll be someone there to help us back up again and dust us off..
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Old June 2 2013, 06:30 PM   #59
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I'm not saying I agree with that assessment, but on balance it seems that his accounts of O'Hares erratic behavior were at least honest...that is to say honest from his particular vantage over on Planet Jerry.
I'd say it's just that stories contain grains of truth.

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I'm just glad that Michael had true friends like JMS, Kathryn Drennan, Sandra Bruckner and others who cared and who tried to help him.
Also Mira Furlan and John Flinn.
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