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Old July 11 2014, 07:16 PM   #286
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Technobabble must die. It's a sin the original Star Trek rarely committed but which almost all fan productions set in the same era do incessantly.
Probably ''inspired'' by most of the later TV series. Did VOYAGER do it most often? If the actors don't even know the meaning of what's being said, the audience will be hard-pressed to care.

I agree wholeheartedly. Down with filler.
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Old July 11 2014, 07:41 PM   #287
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Well, if the fan film writers could find a way to reroute their future scripts through an external editing person, they might be able to alter the outcome of the reaction from fans when the fan film is released by negating the effects extraneous technobabble before the negative reaction occurs.
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Old July 11 2014, 07:43 PM   #288
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Well, if the fan film writers could find a way to reroute their future scripts through an external editing person, they might be able to alter the outcome of the reaction from fans when the fan film is released by negating the effects extraneous technobabble before the negative reaction occurs.
Affirmative.
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Old July 11 2014, 11:12 PM   #289
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Well, if the fan film writers could find a way to reroute their future scripts through an external editing person, they might be able to alter the outcome of the reaction from fans when the fan film is released by negating the effects extraneous technobabble before the negative reaction occurs.
Affirmative.
Not about STC specifically, but fanfilms in general: doing a check for excess jargon is a good idea. I'm writing a script set in the tech industry and even though it's all real stuff and not technobabble, I've asked non-techy people to read the thing, and I pay particular attention if they grouse about the amount of lingo therein. You want the flavor of the world the characters inhabit but not to leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth.
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Old July 12 2014, 01:25 AM   #290
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I'm particularly reminded of the bit of technobabble spouted by Sulu in "Pilgrim Of Eternity" regarding something about a phaser's resonant frequency or something. As soon as the words came out if Grant Imahara's mouth I thought WTF?--that's definitely not TOS.
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Old August 1 2014, 09:44 AM   #291
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The piece de resistance, or what should have been, namely the confrontation between Apollo and Kirk is just such a ridiculous mess...you have Apollo using his mojo on Kirk and fine, the security redshirts pull their phasers on him, only to have them be TK-ed behind the crowd of 6 (or was it 7? some guy in gold uniform just magically appears amongst them). so what do the 7 do afterwards while Apollo magically crucifies their commanding officer? Well the 7, including Spock of all people, do NOTHING whatsoever! and not only them, we saw in the previous scene there was about 15 people in the nearby rec room.

So even Spock can't be bothered to sidle up and put a neck pinch on a not 100% former deity, some best friend...What resolves this mess? Well we have cut after cut of the half-dozen starfleet crewmembers frozen in their tracks, when finally a phaser magically appears in Dr. McKennah's hands and she zaps the big lug. Where did this phaser come from? who knows but it was thrown far behind them and I don't know how McKennah managed to make her way behind everybody, crouch down and grab the weapon in between the quick cuts...

Still, I'll give points to Michael Bednar and John Broughton for an amazing producing job, the sets are great, the colour and cinematography is vibrant, the atmosphere feels close to their objective.

But they really need to jettison the extraneous characters, BSG style, and refocus their scripts to actually give us stories centering on Kirk, Spock and McCoy, finally (Phase 2, my same plea to you), with a real theme, tension and conclusion. The new episode coming out in a couple of weeks is trumpeting some impressive celebrity names (stunt-casting?), but to date I'm a lot more impressed with Starship Farragut's 3 episodes.
I usually don't watch fan-made productions because while the sets and SFX are amazing compared with TOS usually the acting is abysmal.
However I decided to watch STC - all 3 eps in a row and pretty much was amazed and impressed.

However, I noticed the Spock thing and when Kirk was being attacked by Apollo I was expecting Spock to come in and save the day and when it was McKenna I thought well Spock must be on the bridge or something but no he was standing behind her looking 'amazed'. No way, not even in TOS Season One would Spock let anyone do that to the captain.
Even in Lolani when Kirk was stressing back and forth about what to do usually Spock would go to Kirk and offer support. I kept wondering where Spock was. Or McCoy.

I'm not against a strong female character like McKenna (with a big wig) but I think there's room for the big 3 bromance. I miss it.

That being said I really enjoyed all 3 episodes. I agree they just need to get Spock right.
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Old August 19 2014, 04:50 AM   #292
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Old August 21 2014, 03:43 PM   #293
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STC captures the spirit and "look" of TOS better than any other fan production to date, including Phase II. Especially the cinematography. I too wonder about McKenna, but am willing to keep an open mind about her. The issues with Spock definitely need to be addressed, but more than any other TOS fan production, I have highest hopes for this one.
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Old September 3 2014, 04:03 AM   #294
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This may be a small matter, but (and this is a compliment in itself) the thing I find most distracting in STC is what you might call the lack of good diction or elocution in the performances. It's something of which the actors are probably unconscious, but it sticks out as a difference from the way actors used to be trained in the Sixties.

This is especially noticeable with female characters, such as McKennah, Lolani, and to some degree Uhura. Just listen to the way classic Star Trek actresses delivered their lines and you'll hear class, elegance, and sophistication in their pronunciation. But where someone like Carolyn Palamas or Helen Noel would say clearly "What are you going to do?"... McKennah or Lolani would say sloppily "Whaddya gonna do?" McKennah even pronounces her first name as "Uh-leese" rather than "Eh-leese." It's subtle but irritating. Ah, yes, one of my Earth emotions.

Another minor niggle-- It's "You have the conn," never "You've got the conn."
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Old September 3 2014, 05:32 AM   #295
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^^ A very good point. I've observed the same thing at times. I agree they are likely unconscious of it.

Another thing I've noticed occasionally is the use of a more contemporary style of language. Certainly the occasional use of TNG style technobbable, even when moderate, sticks out like a sore thumb. Larry Nemecek ad McCoy said something in "Lolan" referring to the girl having been in a "scrap" that really seemed out of place to me.

They're small things, but they are distinct.
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Old September 3 2014, 09:24 PM   #296
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Capturing how people spoke in other times is tricky. Mad Men tries and does it pretty well at it, but even they mess up. For instance, a character used the term "leverage" in the modern business sense in an era where that was pretty much specific to one industry... and not theirs. Subtle things like "I need to" vs. "I ought to", for instance.
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Old September 3 2014, 11:07 PM   #297
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^^ I agree. It would be a challenging thing to defend against. I can appreciate a measure of awareness on the writing staff's part, but I wouldn't get my shorts in a knot over it considering how much else they get right.
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Old September 4 2014, 10:16 PM   #298
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This may be a small matter, but (and this is a compliment in itself) the thing I find most distracting in STC is what you might call the lack of good diction or elocution in the performances. It's something of which the actors are probably unconscious, but it sticks out as a difference from the way actors used to be trained in the Sixties.

This is especially noticeable with female characters, such as McKennah, Lolani, and to some degree Uhura. Just listen to the way classic Star Trek actresses delivered their lines and you'll hear class, elegance, and sophistication in their pronunciation. But where someone like Carolyn Palamas or Helen Noel would say clearly "What are you going to do?"... McKennah or Lolani would say sloppily "Whaddya gonna do?" McKennah even pronounces her first name as "Uh-leese" rather than "Eh-leese." It's subtle but irritating.
But it DID happen in TOS's first televised episode too. Uhura chided Spock when he didn't ask which of the three in the landing party had just died. It might have been Kirk, after all, who was the closest thing Spock had to a fren.

Many early episodes of series have start-up characters doing stuff that'd be out of character over established time. This even includes HILL STREET BLUES, in which Frank Furillo played hand games with Jesus Martinez during a gang agreement.
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Old September 5 2014, 06:07 AM   #299
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This may be a small matter, but (and this is a compliment in itself) the thing I find most distracting in STC is what you might call the lack of good diction or elocution in the performances. It's something of which the actors are probably unconscious, but it sticks out as a difference from the way actors used to be trained in the Sixties.

This is especially noticeable with female characters, such as McKennah, Lolani, and to some degree Uhura. Just listen to the way classic Star Trek actresses delivered their lines and you'll hear class, elegance, and sophistication in their pronunciation. But where someone like Carolyn Palamas or Helen Noel would say clearly "What are you going to do?"... McKennah or Lolani would say sloppily "Whaddya gonna do?" McKennah even pronounces her first name as "Uh-leese" rather than "Eh-leese." It's subtle but irritating.
But it DID happen in TOS's first televised episode too. Uhura chided Spock when he didn't ask which of the three in the landing party had just died. It might have been Kirk, after all, who was the closest thing Spock had to a fren.

Many early episodes of series have start-up characters doing stuff that'd be out of character over established time. This even includes HILL STREET BLUES, in which Frank Furillo played hand games with Jesus Martinez during a gang agreement.
That's not really the same thing. Early on the characters were somewhat in flux and very little had been cemented yet. Even then the diction and elocution of actors on '60's era television was distinctly different than today. I would roughly call it having "lazy mouths." I find today's actors mumble a lot and often don't pronounce words very clearly. It's often very apparent.
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