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Old May 24 2013, 04:19 AM   #16
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Re: Ship Fighting in Warp Speed?

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Lighten up. It's a movie. Not a religion.
More than that, it's also not science.
I liken it to magic dressed up as pseudoscience.
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Old May 25 2013, 09:41 AM   #17
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Re: Ship Fighting in Warp Speed?

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More than that, it's also not science.
Some people (sadly) think Star Trek is really a documentary
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Old May 25 2013, 02:12 PM   #18
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Re: Ship Fighting in Warp Speed?

In TMP, it was clear that the only reason phasers couldn't take out the asteroid that fell into the wormhole was because the phasers were cut off by the power overload.

Although slowing, the Enterprise was still traveling faster than light at that point, as evidently the asteroid was, being caught in the same wormhole. Of course, the warp drive was out of control, and creating the wormhole was not how it was supposed to operate.

Still, Kirk's first instinct was to order phasers, and apparently phasers were going to work in that situation.

The new "warp corridor" looks very much like the TMP wormhole, to me. So, even if the JJ warp drive operates on a somewhat different principle than the Prime Universe warp drives, maybe it's still not that far off from what we've already been exposed to on screen.
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Old May 25 2013, 07:56 PM   #20
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Phasers fired from inside a warp field remain subject to the rules of the warp field even beyond the bubble the same way the saucer in TNG continued at warp after being separated from the drive. [/nerdish treknobabble which has always served to reconcile bad science in the past so why the hell not with this?]
Actually the warp field is form around the nacelles not around the entire ship.
Actually, the field wraps around the whole ship. Memory-Alpha.

I think TOS's approach was more "Floor it, Scotty!". No real babble-science behind it, it was just "we're going faster than the speed of light".
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Old May 25 2013, 08:19 PM   #21
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If two ships get in the same bubble they can fire normally anyway. Phasers are like subspace radio I would think.
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Old May 25 2013, 08:34 PM   #22
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USS. Bonchune had fire phasers on the USS. Prometheus, while both ships traveling at wrap speed. And the USS. Voyager had fire phasers on the USS. Equinox, while both ship were travel at warp speed.

Also in TOS, the Enterprise could fire phasers while traveling at wrap speed.
Yeah, that's what I remember---they did fire weapons at warp speed in TOS. They even fired weapons while sitting still at ships flying by at warp speed.

In TMP whilke the ship is traveling thru the wormhole they use a photon torp and explain they could have used the phasers if the engines weren't malfunctioning. This is nothing new in any way.
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Old May 25 2013, 08:40 PM   #23
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The only thing I hated was the sound effect used for the Vengence as it overtook Enterprise.
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Old May 25 2013, 09:17 PM   #24
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Phaser fire or anything like it definitely can't happen at warp since it's only traveling at light speed. (TNG era) photon torpedoes are warp-capable. I hated this movie and by that point in the film I was already in a mindset that I noticed the phaser fire depicted would be impossible.
The ships aren't actually moving, though, it's the space around the ship that moves. That's the entire idea behind Warp drive.
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If two ships get in the same bubble they can fire normally anyway. Phasers are like subspace radio I would think.
Agreed. Exactly what I thought while seeing it a second time: both ships are in the same warp field corridor.
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Old May 26 2013, 01:24 AM   #26
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More than that, it's also not science.
agreed.... the magical word being FICTION boys and girls. Science fiction
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