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Old May 24 2013, 11:01 PM   #196
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

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Paramount would've eventually wanted to reboot Star Trek, Abrams or not.
Maybe.

There's no reason to assume that it would have been successful.
Exactly. Not every attempt at a reboot succeeds. Hello, LOST IN SPACE (twice), DARK SHADOWS (thrice!), FLASH GORDON (Syfy version), THE FUGITIVE (Tim Daly version), THE NIGHT STALKER, THE AVENGERS (Uma Thurman version), THE SHADOW, THE PHANTOM (twice), THE GREEN HORNET, WONDER WOMAN, etc.

Rebooting a franchise is harder than it looks. For every BATTLESTAR GALACTICA or BATMAN BEGINS, there's a failed attempt to revive KOJAK or THE BIONIC WOMAN. And the jury is still out on THE LONE RANGER and IRONSIDE.

We can't just assume that a different reboot of STAR TREK would have been an automatic success.

they tried rebooting Lost in Space twice? I know of the movie in the late nineties, but what was the other attempt?
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Old May 24 2013, 11:12 PM   #197
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

A TV series a few years ago for the CW. The pilot (sans a lot of post production, I believe) can be found on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAT4t...650A43C64FE863

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Old May 24 2013, 11:13 PM   #198
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Abrams created a new franchise, and that one is kept alive by STD, some tie-in comics and some tie-in games. It doesn't do jack shit for the old franchise. The old franchise is kept alive by things like blu ray releases for TNG. Otherwise it would slowly die off. Heck, that the actor of Bane happened to play Shinzon probably helped to sell a few Nemesis DVDs.
It's the same franchise: Star Trek.
Yep, been watching it for nearly fifty years. It's Star Trek.
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Old May 24 2013, 11:20 PM   #199
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Wow - could not disagree more with your assessment of why a creative person creates. From my experience (married to an artist, not a writer), a creative person creates because they have something inside them that needs expression. Maybe it's different for a creative person who is a writer, than for a creative person who is an artist.
This thread is moving pretty quickly so this might have already been adressed, but I'll bet most (all?) of the professional writers on this site would disagree too. Of course it's great to earn a living, but is that the initial concern? Is that what first motivates a creative person to create? I'm thinking . . . NO!
Self expression isn't entertaining?


I didn't say it wasn't, or couldn't be. Obviously, it can be highly profitable too.
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Old May 24 2013, 11:31 PM   #200
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People create things because it's what they have to do. People who are able to make their living creating things are pretty fortunate in that respect, I think.
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Old May 24 2013, 11:41 PM   #201
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People create things because it's what they have to do. People who are able to make their living creating things are pretty fortunate in that respect, I think.

That!
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Old May 24 2013, 11:56 PM   #202
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

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Nonsense. The history human storytelling boils down to reboots.
There was a time, after all, when every oral retelling of a popular story was a kind of reboot. The Odyssey was old when Homer wrote it down, and even when we introduce written literature stories continue to be changed when they're rewritten - and they are rewritten. Shakespeare borrowed the story of Romeo and Juliet from earlier writers.
Very true.

Reboots are at the heart of human storytelling. In the Greek myths, there's multiple versions of all the characters' origins.

I don't have a problem with people making new versions of Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, Dracula, James Bond, Batman, etc. Why is it such a big deal with Star Trek? Trek has transcended being about one particular group of actors, or writers, or directors, etc. It's passed into modern day myth, a story to be passed down through the ages, to the next generation. And we better get used to it. They're likely to reboot it again, and again. And then again.

As a James Bond fan, and a Doctor Who fan, as well as a Trekkie, I am well accustomed to change, and new actors, and reboots. Sometimes fresh blood, and a fresh start is a good thing. God knows Bond needed to be rebooted after Die Another Day.

No one complains when someone stages a new production of Hamlet. They do compare the different versions, of course. That is inevitable. Some will prefer the Olivier, some will prefer the Branagh, and so on.
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Old May 25 2013, 12:35 AM   #203
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

Heck, how many times has King Arthur been rebooted?

Last time I checked, nobody was complaining that the TV show Merlin violated the canon laid down by Monty Python . . .
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Old May 25 2013, 12:43 AM   #204
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

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Heck, how many times has King Arthur been rebooted?

Last time I checked, nobody was complaining that the TV show Merlin violated the canon laid down by Monty Python . . .
Any version of Arthur that doesn't have Brave Sir Robin in it, is not canon!!!!!!!
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Old May 25 2013, 01:44 AM   #205
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

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Heck, how many times has King Arthur been rebooted?

Last time I checked, nobody was complaining that the TV show Merlin violated the canon laid down by Monty Python . . .
Any version of Arthur that doesn't have Brave Sir Robin in it, is not canon!!!!!!!
Haha! 'This is NOT my MERLIN! It is by HACKS! It is NOT CANNON!(sic)'
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Old May 25 2013, 04:46 AM   #206
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

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Paramount would've eventually wanted to reboot Star Trek, Abrams or not.
Maybe.

There's no reason to assume that it would have been successful.
I never made an assumption one way or the other about how it would've turned out.
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Old May 25 2013, 06:33 AM   #207
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

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Heck, how many times has King Arthur been rebooted?

Last time I checked, nobody was complaining that the TV show Merlin violated the canon laid down by Monty Python . . .
Excalibur (1981) violated the "no plate armor in Arthur's day" canon! That didn't seem to hurt the film at all (probably helped it).
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Old May 25 2013, 08:34 AM   #208
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

JJ Abrams saved Star Trek.
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Old May 25 2013, 01:21 PM   #209
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

This seems like an awful lot to read, but...save the franchise from what?

Being forgotten? No, people remembering Star Trek became a world phenomenon before Abrams congratulated himself on being too cool to watch.

Being too unprofitable? Those who are not stockholders yet give a shit about the box office are idiots.

Being scifi instead of quality drama? All Star Trek has been vulnerable to cheap shots from the peanut gallery from day one, and this hasn't changed.

Being uncool? Adults couldn't care less.

The only important question about "Abrams" (i.e., the collective effort that made the two movies) is whether the movies are good? If they are, then Abrams saved Star Trek from DVD libraries, temporarily.
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Old May 25 2013, 01:35 PM   #210
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Re: Did Abrams really save the franchise?

Saved it from stagnation as a media franchise.
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