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Old May 22 2013, 09:42 AM   #1
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Petition for better german audio track on blu ray - we need your help!

Hi,

over in our german cinefacts forum we decided to create a petition for the reuse of the original german stereo tracks on the TNG-BD-sets for season 6 & 7.

The audio for these on the DVDs has been of very poor quality.

Even if you don't speak german, it would be very nice and helpful to support us with your signatures.

Please read the petition text for further details:

http://www.change.org/de/Petitionen/...utsche-tonspur

THANK YOU!
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Old May 22 2013, 03:29 PM   #2
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Re: Petition for better german audio track on blu ray - we need your h

Mike Okuda himself just "liked" the petition on facebook!

How cool is that?!

Also contacted trekcore, to see what they can do on their pages...

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Old May 22 2013, 06:55 PM   #3
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Signed! I hope it works. A petition was successful to convince Paramount to add the original german dub of The Litte Mermaid to the new release after years of locking it away so it seems petitions aren't always as hopeless as I though before.
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Old May 22 2013, 07:44 PM   #4
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How about a link to the Facebook page?
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Old May 22 2013, 09:14 PM   #5
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Re: Petition for better german audio track on blu ray - we need your h

How bad are these tracks? Can we hear examples?

...oh, I guess I have to download a zipped file. Anything on YouTube?
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Old May 22 2013, 09:31 PM   #6
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Re: Petition for better german audio track on blu ray - we need your h

I don't know how to post an ac3 surround audiofile at youtube. Guess that's not possible.
But the zip file is just 3 MB size, so it's very small.
You should listen them with headphones to better notice the difference, or at best with a surround receiver.
With small notebook speakers it's probably not so obvious.
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Old May 23 2013, 11:23 AM   #7
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You may try my mp3 example I posted at Cinefacts:
Hier die Beispiele gleich am Anfang der ersten Folge der 7. Staffel: ds9_ton.zip

Ich habe die ersten 37 Sekunden gewählt, da dort praktisch alles drin ist: Gesprochen wärend Musik spielt, laute Musik, Action u.a. mit Herumfliegen und Schießen sowie auch ruhiger Dialog.

ds9_rc2_de_PAL_speedup.ac3: So wie es auf der DVD ist. (verlustfrei)

ds9_rc2_de_NTSC_speed.ac3: Das gleiche, aber auf Normalgeschwindigkeit. (recodiert)

ds9_tv_de_NTSC_speed.ac3: Der Ton vom Fernsehmitschnitt. Premiere, Erstausstrahlung.

ds9_tv_de_PAL_speedup.ac3: Das gleiche, aber mit PAL-Speedup, passend zur DVD.

dvd_vs_tv.mp3: DVD (als Downmix, auf Normalgeschwindigkeit verlangsamt) und Fernsehaufzeichnung direkt hintereinander. Lautstärke exakt angeglichen (RMS identisch).

dvd_vs_tv.bmp: Eine Spektralanalyse, die die Grausamkeit des Gehörten visuel veranschaulicht. Die grünen Linien sind natürlich der Fernsehton. Das rote Gebirge der DVD-Ton (Downmix) mit Kammproblemen, die mehr als deutlich sind, was man an den 2 großen Abgründen bei ca. 4800 Hz und 14400 Hz erkennen kann.

Der Fernsehton ist nicht verlustfrei, sondern wurde nachträglich von einer VHS-Hi-Fi-Aufnahme digitalisiert. Dennoch ist der Qualitäsunterschied hier wohl mehr als deutlich.
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Old May 24 2013, 11:39 AM   #8
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Re: Petition for better german audio track on blu ray - we need your h

Just got an email from Trekcore.
They will talk to CBS about this issue TODAY! Wow...
Fingers crossed. I'll update here as soon as I have new informations.

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Old May 25 2013, 06:27 PM   #9
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Re: Petition for better german audio track on blu ray - we need your h

So... Adam Walker himself from Trekcore wrote me, he'd see good chances for a reuse of the old german tracks, if CBS's sound engineers find the 5.1 mix as bad as described, and he will hand over all signatures himself to the responsible head of DVD at CBS.

There's still some time for seasons 6 & 7, but more signatures would be helpful.
Everyone can help. And together we can change things for a better release.
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Old May 26 2013, 08:00 AM   #10
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I'm surprised people still watch movies/shows with dubs. When I watch foreign films, I listen with original audio and read the subtitles.

Voice actors never do justice to the people they're dubbing.
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Old May 30 2013, 01:02 PM   #11
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jimbotron wrote: View Post
Voice actors never do justice to the people they're dubbing.
While they are indeed inferior most of the time, there are also voice actors with outstanding performance. I find the German TOS quite good (Blu-Ray has too low pitch though, since it was dubbed with PAL speedup).

In TNG, I like the German Q even better then the original. Unfornutately, non of the TNG's (and later shows') main character's voice actors are even close to their original actors, imho.

And of course, many prefer dubbed tracks over subtitles, as subtitles distract from the picture. If I want to read, I'd take a book rather than a movie.

I myself watch Star Trek mostly in the original, but I know many people who don't understand English that well.
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