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Old August 21 2013, 10:43 PM   #496
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Re: Star Trek III - The [Speculation Begins] (Spoilers)

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The Enterprise-E and the nu-Ent teaming up? Make it so.
You really don't want this to happen. Trust me.
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Old August 22 2013, 05:16 PM   #497
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Getting back to speculation on the next movie, I dont' know if this has already been suggested, but what if Khan's blood messes Kirk up somehow, turns him dark while they are out there exploring, and Spock and the crew have to figure out how to save him, before he does something really bad.
Pine isn't a good enough actor to carry anything like this off.
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Old August 22 2013, 05:20 PM   #498
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Oh, I don't know. He played a very different (and patently over-the-top) kind of character in "Smokin' Aces". I think he's a lot more flexible than many people give him credit for, and he can only really act within the general confines of what's been written for him.
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Old August 23 2013, 07:11 AM   #499
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They should remake the last episode of TOS.
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Old August 23 2013, 08:05 AM   #500
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Pine actually is quite capable of pulling it off. He has done amazing work on the stage and frankly I thought he did a great job as Kirk. As mentioned on here he also was incredible in smoking aces.
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Old December 29 2013, 07:51 PM   #501
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Sorry for revising an old thread, but I like the idea of a "Search for Pike/Menagerie" mashup.

We know that Spock mind-melded with Pike before he died in Into Darkness. So what if Spock starts exhibiting Pike-like behavior, much like how Bones started acting like Spock in ST III. Kirk starts noticing, and is like "OK, what's up with that?" Spock reveals that his mind meld with Pike had the unexpected consequence of absorbing Pike's "Kantra", even though he's not Vulcan.

Spock also goes into memory flashes where he experiences Pike's encounter with the Talosians and the beautiful Vina. Spock then melds with Kirk to show him Pike's memories. Light bulb goes off in Kirk's head, and Kirk decides that they must bring Pike's Kantra to Talos IV, which is off limits and illegal to travel there. All kinds of shenanigans with Kirk and crew along the way, interspersed with more Spock flashbacks of Pike's time with Vina in the Talosians' Illusion-world.

At the end, the Talosians successfully transfer Pike's consciousness to some kind of vessel or body, to be reunited with Vina in love forever.

The original Pike was a tragic figure indeed, but he did get some bittersweet redemption in the Menagerie episode. Into darkness had all the tragedy and pointlessness of Pike's original accident which left him crippled, but lacked the redemption. For me being a Pike fan, bringing his Kantra back to Talos IV would be an enormously satisfying conclusion to the trilogy, and would bring the franchise full-circle to Gene's original pilot with Jeffrey Hunter. It seems fitting somehow.
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Old December 29 2013, 10:46 PM   #502
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I really don't know where you take Star Trek at this point. I would like an original story but it would have to be written well and without that swiss cheese of plot holes that was Into Darkness. I would like to see Kirk fight the Borg but with the assistance of the planet killer from the original series. I believe it had been postulated that the the planet killer was designed as a doomsday machine against the Borg. Since Star Trek Countdown confirms that Neros ship was a Romulan/Borg hybrid vessel, lets say he sent a signal to the delta quadrant before its destruction as a proximity beacon for the Borg. I would have rathered Star Trek Into Darkness (which is a terrible title) would have been original and although I love Cumberbatch, I think Kahn needed to stay lost for a while. That script was just terrible.
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Old December 29 2013, 10:51 PM   #503
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What's with this fascination some people have of bringing the Borg into this? Old Trek with the Borg will only appeal to a very small audience. The reason nuTrek is doing so well in theaters, is because it's appealing to non-fans aswell, and this actualy creating new fans in the process. However, if you rehash stuff from other series into a new movie, no one's going to get it, most older fans will hate it, and every change of ever getting any new Trek is basicly gone.

What I want from nuTrek 3 is exactly what I got from the other two.
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Old December 29 2013, 11:45 PM   #504
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What's with this fascination some people have of bringing the Borg into this? Old Trek with the Borg will only appeal to a very small audience.
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Old December 30 2013, 02:52 AM   #505
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The reason nuTrek is doing so well in theaters, is because it's appealing to non-fans aswell, and this actualy creating new fans in the process. However, if you rehash stuff from other series into a new movie, no one's going to get it, most older fans will hate it, and every chance of ever getting any new Trek is basicly gone.
Hmm. I guess by that reasoning using Khan was a mistake, then?
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Old December 30 2013, 03:09 AM   #506
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I'd like to see a crossover where Kirk fights a resurgent Sith order.
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Old December 30 2013, 10:25 AM   #507
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The reason nuTrek is doing so well in theaters, is because it's appealing to non-fans aswell, and this actualy creating new fans in the process. However, if you rehash stuff from other series into a new movie, no one's going to get it, most older fans will hate it, and every chance of ever getting any new Trek is basicly gone.
Hmm. I guess by that reasoning using Khan was a mistake, then?
I'm still not 100% sure on that myself. I feel that the movie could have work just as well if Harrison was just a genetically engineered superhuman, not Khan himself. But atleast Khan was part of TOS. This need to bring something from every show into nuTrek baffles me.

But yes, short answer, it could have been just John Harrison.
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Old December 30 2013, 11:42 PM   #508
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I really don't know where you take Star Trek at this point. I would like an original story but it would have to be written well and without that swiss cheese of plot holes that was Into Darkness. I would like to see Kirk fight the Borg but with the assistance of the planet killer from the original series. I believe it had been postulated that the the planet killer was designed as a doomsday machine against the Borg.
Had it? In dialogue from the original episode, Spock says that:
Mr. Sulu has computed the path of the machine, using the destroyed solar systems as a base course. Projecting back on our star charts, we find that it came from outside, from another galaxy.
and, in response to the question of who would build such a machine:
We don't know. An alien race, apparently from another galaxy.
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Old December 30 2013, 11:58 PM   #509
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The idea that it was built to fight the Borg comes from Peter David's novels Vendetta and Before Dishonor. They retconned Spock's line to mean it left our galaxy and flew around part of it and re-entered - the rationale being that a machine that feeds on planets wouldn't find any fuel in the intergalactic void and so would never manage the journey.
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The idea that it was built to fight the Borg comes from Peter David's novels Vendetta and Before Dishonor. They retconned Spock's line to mean it left our galaxy and flew around part of it and re-entered - the rationale being that a machine that feeds on planets wouldn't find any fuel in the intergalactic void and so would never manage the journey.
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