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Old May 23 2013, 11:03 AM   #16
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Re: Pope: Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed

I realize the statement is not meant as such, because of his possibly sincere belief, but it still carries the insult that we are ALL broken and guilty and need redemption in the first place because of what imaginary mud guy and rib girl did 6000 years ago.
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Old May 23 2013, 11:07 AM   #17
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If you could pick one word to describe the Catholic religion it would have to be... atonement.
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Old May 23 2013, 11:17 AM   #18
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I'd go for "guilt", personally.

Still, it's welcome that he is saying this to his followers, now they can stop feeling sorry for us poor damned atheists. Although to me it is superstitious nonsense still.
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Old May 23 2013, 11:18 AM   #19
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Re: Pope: Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed

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I realize the statement is not meant as such, because of his possibly sincere belief, but it still carries the insult that we are ALL broken and guilty and need redemption in the first place because of what imaginary mud guy and rib girl did 6000 years ago.
Reminds me of Bart Simpson. 'I didn't do it, no one saw me, you can't prove anything.'
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Old May 23 2013, 11:47 AM   #20
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Funny thing is, that even the Catholic church has admitted that evolution is probably true, therefore no Adam and Eve and no Original Sin.
So what did Jesus redeem us from?
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Old May 23 2013, 12:00 PM   #21
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They'd say the tale of Adam and Eve's a metaphor to explain violence and evil in the world to which humanity is prone. They don't teach there being a literal Adam and Eve. The way the CC teaches it, evolution works great for doctrine.
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Old May 23 2013, 04:28 PM   #22
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Right. The Church does not teach the bible literally, and the Catholic school that my kids go to even teaches evolution.
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Old May 23 2013, 06:19 PM   #23
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Problem with that is, God supposedly created us flawed without "us" (as in our ancestors) having a choice in becoming cursed and flawed.
So he created us broken with an actve part on our side to be loopholed into paradise...

That makes God just a dick!
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Old May 23 2013, 06:23 PM   #24
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Well, the Pope's off to a good start.
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Old May 23 2013, 06:29 PM   #25
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Next week the Pope proves all religions are true!
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Old May 23 2013, 06:40 PM   #26
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Does this mean I don't get to hang out in limbo anymore?
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Old May 23 2013, 07:17 PM   #27
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Timelord_Victorious wrote: View Post
I realize the statement is not meant as such, because of his possibly sincere belief, but it still carries the insult that we are ALL broken and guilty and need redemption in the first place because of what imaginary mud guy and rib girl did 6000 years ago.
Forget mud guy and rib girl. People are all broken, and we are all guilty of doing something hurtful to someone along the way.

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It is nice of the pope to say that. At least the Catholic Church are not bible literalist.
Nope, the Catholic Church has never taught Biblical literalism. Because the fundamentalists / literalists get so much press, a lot of people assume that all Christians are literalists. The reality is that Catholics and mainstream Protestants (Episcopalian/Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist, etc.) are not. If some individuals are, it's despite their denomination's teachings, not because of them.
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Old May 23 2013, 08:13 PM   #28
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I thought breaking the 3rd Commandment was a mortal sin.

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Old May 23 2013, 08:26 PM   #29
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This isn't surprising from the Holy See. As I've always said about those of us in the Catholic Faith, we're always far too busy hating ourselves to take the time to hate others.

On a serious note, while the Church does have some positions that I still do disagree with them on, it's good to see them taking a step out in front of so many of the mainstream Protestant sects yet again.
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Old May 23 2013, 08:41 PM   #30
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People are all broken
I like you, but... that's bullshit. Damaging bullshit, too.
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