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Old May 25 2013, 11:27 AM   #31
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I don't care if Game of Thrones looks like a visual feast of fantasy and delivers gorgeously ugly people stabbing and fucking each other all out the wazoo, complete with dragons. Babylon 5's story is far more meaningful and interesting than anything we see on Game of Thrones.

AND Crusade has dragons. Yes yes, I know that is not supposed to be a high point
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Old May 25 2013, 11:40 AM   #32
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Technomages seemed cool, until you read the Technomage novels and found out that they were clueless patsies. I thought they were smugly laughing at every one fully aware where their tech and power comes from and who they were supposed to be working for in The Great War...
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Old May 25 2013, 11:46 AM   #33
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I've told everyone (no one has listened, but whatever) that the technomage trilogy was the best books I've ever read. Put me off Treklit for years because it was so superior.
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Old May 25 2013, 11:52 AM   #34
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I preferred the Centauri trilogy of books where Galen is helping Vir's rise to power when he wasn't off with Gideon on the Excalibur.

I like Vir.

I got really upset when they replaced him with that stick like skinny bloke after season three.

Can you imagine if they had squashed the shittier episodes of Crusade down to 25-30 minutes, and they spliced in the continuing misadventures of Vir and Galen on top of what they already gave us?
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Old May 25 2013, 11:57 AM   #35
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The Centauri trilogy I have but have yet to read because of my Peter David allergy, but I have every intention of getting over it and reading them. Vir was much better round. Crusade was more interesting after reading Galen's story in the technomage trilogy.

Psi Corp trilogy was a quick read and had some excellent Bester development.

I suppose I shouldn't handwring over people's failure to read the technomage trilogy when I've failed to read the Centauri trilogy.. but KingDaniel if you are reading this you of all people still have no excuse considering how much abysmal Treklit you've read and retained.
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Old May 25 2013, 12:04 PM   #36
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I'm inspired now, I'm going to watch Legend of the Rangers!! I haven't seen it properly yet.

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Old May 25 2013, 12:17 PM   #37
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I'm a completest. I believe in the whole story with no censorship.

Legend of the Rangers was... Inbred.
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Old May 25 2013, 01:24 PM   #38
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I am in pain thinking about anyone watching In the Beginning first.

WAY too spoilery
Plus, as a introduction to the world it suffers from the fact that one of the major characters from the first season, who plays an essential role in ending the war the Movie is about, wasn't avaliable when they filmed the film and only appears in stock footage.

Meaning that, for anyone watching it cold, it must seem really odd to have this guy who hasn't been in it before show up five minutes from the end and shut the whole plot down.

EDIT: Legend of the Rangers was piss poor.

I was actually surprised on my recent rewatch how much I enjoyed Crusade (which I'd seen a couple of at the time but had found a bit crap). It's by no means perfect, and you can definately see the impact of the behind the scenes problems, but it's saved by some excellent casting (the fact Gary Cole isn't a bigger TV star is a crying shame) meaning it's never less than watchable.

Legend of the Rangers on the other hand, which again I only watched properly for the first time this time through, had all the bad points of Crusade and none of the good ones. Other than the carry over of G'Kar the cast are the blandest, dullest group of characters in the entire history of television. Especially compared to B5, which certainly had a few cast members take a while to find their feet but still had some real stand out performances right from the off.
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Old May 25 2013, 01:33 PM   #39
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I'm just happy that next time I watch Crusade, if I haven't lost the disk I burnt a couple years ago with the a.d.d. laser precision of a meth tweaker, that the bloody episodes will finally be seen by me in the right damn order.
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Old May 25 2013, 02:05 PM   #40
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Legend of the Rangers would have made a perfectly good single episode of Bab 5 or Crusade but was dragged out and full of flab as a movie. Nothing even happened for 33 minutes. Lead was Ken Doll dull. G'Kar was cliche G'Kar most of the time. Some of the Minbari were interesting. Not sure what the point of it was, did they think it was going to be a series? Introduce a new BADDER THAN SHADOWS bad guy and then it's over? JMS wrote it too.

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Old May 25 2013, 02:16 PM   #41
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It's hard to imagine that anyone who was satisfied by DS9's overall story arc could feel satisfied by Babylon 5. For example, if DS9's treatment of the Prophets seemed fitting, then Babylon 5's treatment of the Vorlons must seem outrageous. Or, if the human role in galactic affairs seems appropriate to human stature in DS9, then Babylon 5 must seem like some kind of self-flagellation. If Section 31 on DS9 seemed so cool, then Nightwatch on Babylon 5 must be some sort of maniacal leftwing caricature. If Sisko's apoetheosis in the cave of Mt. Doom seems like a satisfying climax, then Severed Dreams must be a nightmare.
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Old May 25 2013, 02:44 PM   #42
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Legend of the Rangers did have one good line...

"What did he do that was so wrong?"

"He didn't die!"
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I don't care if Game of Thrones looks like a visual feast of fantasy and delivers gorgeously ugly people stabbing and fucking each other all out the wazoo, complete with dragons. Babylon 5's story is far more meaningful and interesting than anything we see on Game of Thrones.
Or anything else on TV now.
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Old May 25 2013, 04:23 PM   #44
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I gave up on Babylon-5 early on, but was persuaded to give it a second chance by friends whose judgment I trusted, and, yeah, like TNG, it gets much better by the time you get to the third season or so. It peters out a bit near the end, though. As I recall, I kind of drifted away during the fifth season . . . although I remember catching the series finale.

Truth to tell, I was much more into XENA and FARSCAPE back then.
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Old May 25 2013, 04:37 PM   #45
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I rank Babylon 5 up there with The Wire, Neon Genesis Evangelion and I, Claudius as TV storytelling at its peak. It also kicks arse from the start, only messing up slightly in its final season. The Gathering is slightly clunky but it's trying to do somethign brave and different in a way that none of the modern Trek pilots do. Michael O'Hare as Sinclair is my favourite main B5 character so I find myself rewatching S1 a lot more than S5. Hell, I'd take him over any of the Trek captains.

Don't start with In The Beginning. Ruins the entire mystery of Season 1. Boot up The Gathering and let the story unfold.
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