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Old January 26 2014, 04:14 AM   #256
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Re: New Star Wars animated show "Rebels" coming fall 2014

You'd be surprised how much name recognition Mara Jade's earned over the last twenty years. Never underestimate the audience. We and they prove the doubters wrong frequently.
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Old January 26 2014, 04:44 AM   #257
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Re: New Star Wars animated show "Rebels" coming fall 2014

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How many people would have noticed them renaming Pepper Potts, or really gave a fig who Arnim Zola was, or could tell Maria Hill from Natasha Romanov? There's no special reason to think they will use Mara etc., but then... no reason to think they won't if it fits the story they're trying to tell. For the people who've never read a Star Wars book, it'll be exactly the same - "Oh look, Luke's got a wife named ___ and a kid named ___; Han and Leia got married and have twins."
Then again, there's no real reason to not call Luke's wife Mara Jade, especially if she's written similarly to what we've seen from the EU so far. If she's written as an entirely different character - then yeah, best to give her another name.

As for what to call the new films... ST works for me, since context will help differentiate between Trek and Wars. Though, I wouldn't be surprised to see DT take hold, either.
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Old January 26 2014, 04:48 AM   #258
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Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear - that's my point. Why not call her Mara Jade, especially if she's a sarcastic ass-kicker (and why wouldn't she be?)?
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Old January 26 2014, 05:00 AM   #259
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Re: New Star Wars animated show "Rebels" coming fall 2014

Ah, my mistake then! But yeah ... good point. The general audience won't care either way, so why not give the hardcore/EU Star Wars fans something to talk about? Abrams certainly had no reservation using a classic Trek character in Khan. Mara Jade isn't a film-character, but it's almost impossible to be a big Star Wars fan and not have at least heard her name. You don't really lose anything using her name, and by using it, you give the movie an immediate connection for Star Wars fans. Not that they need it with The Big Three reprising their roles ... but it's still a bonus.
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Old January 26 2014, 05:06 AM   #260
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Re: New Star Wars animated show "Rebels" coming fall 2014

Heck, I know who Nom Anor is. I have his action figure. I imagine a lot of us could recognize characters from the books, graphic novels and video games even if Average Joe Q. Moviegoer wouldn't, but then Trek mentioned Admiral Archer's beagle, talked about Melvaran mud fleas and threw a graphic of "Dr. Philip Boyce" on a Starfleet sickbay readout screen, so it's common for elements only more devoted and hardcore fans to recognize to be thrown into films like these.
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Old January 26 2014, 05:33 AM   #261
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I think if any character is likely to make the transition from EU to the movies or the upcoming TV show, it'd be Mara Jade.

Actually already from what little we know of the new show, there's what seems to be a perfect way to introduce Mara Jade, either as a one-off or a recurring character. With an antagonist like the Inquisitor, it would seem natural to give him Jade as an apprentice/assistant and I kind of like the imagery of him and a young Mara Jade being a dark reflection of Anakin & Ashoka.

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Old January 26 2014, 05:38 AM   #262
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Yep. It doesn't significantly alter the film, but it still lets longtime fans know that the filmmakers are aware enough about the lore of the franchise to add in those easter eggs.
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Old January 26 2014, 09:04 AM   #263
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Let's put it another way: do you think JJ Abrams or Lawrence Kasdan have ever read an EU novel or comic?
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Old January 26 2014, 11:15 AM   #264
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Re: New Star Wars animated show "Rebels" coming fall 2014

Maybe. Maybe not. How do we know? Hell, I know hardcore SW fans who don't care for EU books and graphic novels and others who read almost everything that gets published. Kasdan helped create both Empire and Jedi before this new one and has been involved in the franchise off-and-on for over three decades. Maybe he has? And J.J.'s admitted to being a SW fan even moreso than Trek.

In the nearly 23 years since the Thrawn Trilogy was first launched in bookstores I'd say it's possible one or both have leafed through at least one EU novel seeing how many others have that haven't worked on a Star Wars project.
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Old January 26 2014, 01:33 PM   #265
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I'd say it's almost certain that they've been exposed to the EU since signing on for this project. If there's truth to the reports that Star Wars wants to bring all of its media into one continuity/canon then yeah, I'd say there will be some EU elements in the film. And, too, why wouldn't they at least make themselves aware of what has been written about the post-OT GFFA - if only to see what others have done, to get inspiration, or even to be sure their product is significantly different.

It's much more likely that they are aware of the bigger elements of the EU (Mara Jade, for example), than not.
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Old January 26 2014, 02:21 PM   #266
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Shadows of the Empire had a huge multimedia campaign back in 1996 that included the smash novel, a Nintendo 64 video game cartridge, about half a dozen different, unique action figures that were sold in all major store chains and even a soundtrack CD with completely original tracks to accompany the chapters, themes and tone of the book. After Shadows premiered to such success and widespread knowledge it's hard to believe that J.J. and Lawrence haven't read at least one EU story over the years, before or since.

You can't cough these days without hacking all over a brand new SW novel being released on a bookshelf, hardcover or otherwise.
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Old January 26 2014, 02:28 PM   #267
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Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear - that's my point. Why not call her Mara Jade, especially if she's a sarcastic ass-kicker (and why wouldn't she be?)?
Because it's funnier to watch the meltdowns of hardcore EU fans if it's contradicted and thrown out.

If they use Mara Jade I hope she's killed off before she meets Luke.
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Old January 26 2014, 03:26 PM   #268
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Let's put it another way: do you think JJ Abrams or Lawrence Kasdan have ever read an EU novel or comic?
They won't be the only people working on the film, though. Abrams isn't a major Trek fan, but his collaborators Roberto Orci and Damon Lindelof are, and they were the ones who brought in all the continuity references and drew a few ideas from the books (chiefly the first names of Kirk's parents and Uhura). In this case, it's possible that Abrams and Kasdan will have collaborators who are familiar with the Star Wars EU and able to suggest characters and species that could be worth using. A lot of people contribute to the creation of a movie.
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Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear - that's my point. Why not call her Mara Jade, especially if she's a sarcastic ass-kicker (and why wouldn't she be?)?
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Old January 26 2014, 07:57 PM   #270
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The whole "Emperor's Hand" assassin thing won't make much sense since she was never seen in the OT and never referenced in any work of the Lucas universe until the '90s, but perhaps they could make her a former bounty hunter or smuggler of some kind who met Luke in the years following the Battle of Endor and they fell in love.
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