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View Poll Results: Who requisitioned 7 years worth of maternity leave?
Tom? 13 81.25%
B'Elanna? 3 18.75%
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Old May 20 2013, 02:24 AM   #16
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Re: Who would have had to quit their job to look after baby Miral?

Children raising children.

That worked out great for Piggy.

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It's not a waste of time to look after your own children.

But it is a waste of time to look after other peoples children.

You have to have a healthy investment, and if you have an unhealthy investment in the child, then the parents should be worried and fire you.

Someone who isn't an idiot, doesn't need any training to look after children. All additional training/higher education to look after children is technically redundant. But someone with more training is going to get the job every time, but someone with more training is going to demand a greater salary, so maybe the person who will look after your child for the smallest wage will trump the superior worker?

If you were willing to pay someone a million dollars a year too look after your baby... You would expect to get your moneys worth, but if you're only willing to pay minimum wage or a fraction of minimum wage to an undocumented worker, shouldn't you be terrified that you are getting your moneys worth in dedication and professionalism?
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Old May 20 2013, 02:26 AM   #17
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You can add the word "porn" to the end of almost anything, which means that you achieve delight from viewing such a thing.

But when a couple who is breaking up are yelling and swearing, and throwing toasters at each other, drawing a knives and he rips out her weave, and you start to get smug and laugh at their tragedy... That's divorceporn.

Nothing sexual.

It's when something regular metamorphoses into garish entertainment.
What's a "weave"?

It occurs to me that people are always explaining obvious things to me on this forum.

I saw on 60 minutes this guy in Oz with 9 "wives" and dozens of children who collects 30 grand in social security every week... At least those were the numbers I heard a few year back... Point was he lived in a tent and the wives ran the show.
If that was the one from some years back they have all left him and made money telling women's magazines he was a twat. And now they get to keep their benefits for themselves. Kind of embarrassing to be the kids though.
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Old May 20 2013, 02:27 AM   #18
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Tom stays home. He's got the medical training. He's also got the 50s nostalgia thing, so I can see him being a stickler for insisting in having one parent at home in his nuclear family. Since his wife would grind his teeth into powder if he suggested she quit, he'd gladly stay at home.

Just turn the Paris/Torres quarters into a mini-holodeck and he'll play Captain Proton and Mr. Mom at the same time.
And don't forget the tv. The kid can grow up with a genuine historical brain draining experience.

Shatnertage! Has the new movie wooed you back to the BBS?
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Old May 20 2013, 02:42 AM   #19
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If you were willing to pay someone a million dollars a year too look after your baby... You would expect to get your moneys worth, but if you're only willing to pay minimum wage or a fraction of minimum wage to an undocumented worker, shouldn't you be terrified that you are getting your moneys worth in dedication and professionalism?
A couple years ago I knew a recent immigrant to this country from South Africa, he was a university lecturer. He rang me up one day telling me his wife wanted to go back to work full time and did I know anyone who would like to do full time childcare of their baby. I asked him how much he would be paying and he said, two dollars an hour. I told him a ten year old gets paid more to walk a dog
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Re: Who would have had to quit their job to look after baby Miral?

Yes, teacake, I'm back--I had a lot of work that was keeping me submerged for a while, but I think I got the best of it. Saw the movie today and had to come back to share my thoughts (I loved it).
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Old May 20 2013, 03:02 AM   #21
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Dogs can kill people.

A weave is what Americans call "hair extensions".

Racial profiling would have me believe that African American women are obsessed by this tech.

Racial profiling is immoral.

Dogs can also run away and the police don't care.
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Old May 20 2013, 03:32 AM   #22
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Neither. The kid would be with his hedgehog nanny during the day.
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Old May 20 2013, 03:35 AM   #23
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Miral is a girl and the hedgehog has left the building.
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Old May 20 2013, 03:43 AM   #24
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Right, forgot the timeline we were talking about happened after Neelix left.

But even without him, you don't need to resort to holograms. Voyager functions like a small village. People help each other out. In the cases where Tom and B'elana are both on duty at the same time, they'd leave her with somebody who isn't. Sam Wildman didn't leave her role in the ship: Naomi was raised by the community.
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Imagine if she fell over and scratched herself on some gewgaw you had in your quarters and you had to hand her back to B'Elanna and explain this.

I'm thinking getting babysitters might become increasingly difficult. Also, Klingon toddler tantrums.
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I think Harry would make a wonderful manny.

Actually, considering "Before and After" maybe not.
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I was always surprised there weren't more babies being born on Voyager. I guess 24th century contraception is fail-proof, but I would think in that timeline at least a few more people would decide to procreate, which would necessitate a 1701-D-style daycare/school eventually.

In the mean time, leave the baby with Samantha. She's had practice, and she's never at work anyway.
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Women can procreate at least into their 50's according to Crusher's pregnancy in the books, and they live a lot longer. I would think after the 12 year mark people might start thinking, this is it, we are here for decades. And then make that kind of decision. At 7 years they were probably still holding out for more ideal circumstances.
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Naomi looked 10 by the time she was 5, so might have likely looked 20 by the time she was 10.

Kim could have been a problem.

New theory.

All that growing would have required a massive amount of energy.

Two possibilities...

1. Naomi slept twice as long/Napped much more often than human children.
2. Naomi was always eating, which is why she was always in the mess and always with Neelix.
(3.) A little of column A, a little of Column B.
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I was always surprised there weren't more babies being born on Voyager. I guess 24th century contraception is fail-proof, but I would think in that timeline at least a few more people would decide to procreate, which would necessitate a 1701-D-style daycare/school eventually.

In the mean time, leave the baby with Samantha. She's had practice, and she's never at work anyway.
In Ds9 we discovered that Humans get a shot every month.

If both the man and the woman forget, or chose not to, they rebecome fertile.

How they phrased it Didn't you get your shot this month? I forgot, what about you? I guess i forgot too... Has me think that this is something they can't do themselves and have to go to a medical professional for the undertaking of.

1 month.

The Killing Game lasted a month.

In the disasterpod/Survival kit they packed for Janeway and Chakotay on the Resolutions planet... What's the rationality behind packing or not packing "contraceptives" if they're going to be alone on that planet together forever?

Surely giving Chakotay a 24th century vasetomy would have saved on space, unless he wanted to make babies with Janeway?
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