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Old May 21 2013, 10:58 PM   #16
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Re: Did Star Wars cash in on Star Trek?

Rather than "cashing in" on the other, I think both benefitted from each other's popularity at different times, allowing each to thrive over the years.
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Old May 21 2013, 11:36 PM   #17
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Re: Did Star Wars cash in on Star Trek?

I think the consensus seems to be that no, Star Wars did not cash in on Star Trek. It was infact a revolutionary film that would have broke out regardless of Trek existing or not, but Trek may have laid some important foundations that enabled Star Wars to flourish and George Lucas was influenced by Star Trek in some areas.
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Old May 22 2013, 12:01 AM   #18
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Re: Did Star Wars cash in on Star Trek?

"Capitalized on the popularity of Star Trek" might be a better phrase.

SW was/is a great thing on its own, but Trek was HUGE, mid-Seventies.
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Old May 22 2013, 12:08 AM   #19
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"Capitalized on the popularity of Star Trek" might be a better phrase.
I thought that was basically what "cashed in on" meant. Perhaps I'm missing something about how the phrase is used.
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Old May 22 2013, 12:29 AM   #20
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Re: Did Star Wars cash in on Star Trek?

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"Capitalized on the popularity of Star Trek" might be a better phrase.
I thought that was basically what "cashed in on" meant. Perhaps I'm missing something about how the phrase is used.
I always thought there was a connotation of gratuitously following on the coattails of something, as, for example, all the grade B space films that came out in the wake of Star Wars. TMP wouldn't really qualify either, in that regard, but—arguably—original BSG might.
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Old May 22 2013, 12:32 AM   #21
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Re: Did Star Wars cash in on Star Trek?

Well, the dictionary just says it means to profit from a thing or use it to one's advantage. And Lucas has acknowledged that he did use Star Trek's reputation to his advantage, citing it as an example of a successful space opera in order to sell the studio on his movie and using a title that evoked it.
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Old May 22 2013, 12:34 AM   #22
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I'm aware of that.
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Old May 22 2013, 12:38 AM   #23
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It's my understanding that they monitored ratings differently back then. Had it been done as it's done today, it would have been shown that Star Trek had the demographics needed, and would have stayed on the air.
I'm not sure that would've been such a great thing, though. Already they seemed to be running out of ideas, their budget was being reduced, etc. It might have faded into obscurity if not for syndication.

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Right, it's ridiculous to say you can't be a fan of both Star Trek and Star Wars. They don't even occupy the same genre niche. ST is space-opera science fiction, while SW is epic space fantasy. Each offers things the other doesn't.
I'm a fan of Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5, and sci-fi in general.
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Old May 22 2013, 12:42 AM   #24
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Re: Did Star Wars cash in on Star Trek?

I love both as well as many other scifi/fantasy tv shows and or movies (just click on the link in my sig to see)

I really don't understand this fight between ST & SW fans
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Old May 22 2013, 02:24 AM   #25
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Re: Did Star Wars cash in on Star Trek?

I think I agree with you, Belz. There's always the "what if." What if the network hadn't jerked the show around and Roddenberry had held onto control. What if the show was kept in a good timeslot. Since I personally like generally how Star Trek evolved over the years, I'm glad it went the way it did. But who knows?
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Old May 22 2013, 02:30 AM   #26
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Star Trek and Star Wars are arguably not the same genre. Star Wars is a Western.

The same way Game of Thrones is a mafia series.
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Old May 22 2013, 02:42 AM   #27
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Star Trek and Star Wars are arguably not the same genre. Star Wars is a Western.
Actually ST was the one that was kinda sorta pitched as a Western -- "Wagon Train to the stars." (Although, contrary to popular belief, that was more in reference to Wagon Train's storytelling format than its genre.) And it's built around the trope of pioneers braving a dangerous frontier, part of the core mythology of the American West (as well as the Great Trek of the Boers in South Africa, which seems likely to have inspired the show's title). Star Wars is a sword-and-sorcery fantasy transposed into outer space. It's explicitly presented as a fairy tale: "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away." And it's about people who fight with swords, wield magic, and rescue princesses while battling evil emperors, without a frontier in sight. Sure, it has some Western trappings, along with trappings of just about every other genre Lucas was ever a fan of, but Westerns aren't its primary syntax.
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Old May 22 2013, 03:07 AM   #28
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Re: Did Star Wars cash in on Star Trek?

For every thing Star Wars cribbed from Star Trek, it cribbed numerous other things from other genres.

Star Wars managed to break out of the sci-fi niche and appeal to general audiences with record-breaking long lines. The original film was basically #1 for a whole year. Star Trek never came close to that sort of broad appeal, until JJTrek.

One of the other connotations of cashing in on something is that the thing riding the coattails is the lesser. That clearly wouldn't be the case here.
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Old May 22 2013, 03:16 AM   #29
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Re: Did Star Wars cash in on Star Trek?

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Star Trek and Star Wars are arguably not the same genre. Star Wars is a Western.

The same way Game of Thrones is a mafia series.
So's Star Trek. Especially "Mudd's Women". A plot I've seen in more than one Western.

Game of Thrones takes partial inspiration from The War of the Roses. Was there a mafia in Plantagenet England?
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Re: Did Star Wars cash in on Star Trek?

One day, this movie might happen:

Star Wars Episode VII: Star Trek is the planned seventh installment in the Star Wars film franchise. Following The Walt Disney Company's October 30, 2012 acquisition of Lucasfilm Ltd. from George Lucas, Disney announced that "Star Wars Episode VII" is scheduled for a 2015 release, to be followed by Episodes VIII and IX. Lucas will remain involved as a creative consultant on new Star Wars feature films. Screenwriter Michael Arndt will write the screenplay for Star Wars Episode VII, while J.J. Abrams will direct.
The film's story will be completely original and not based on any prior source from the Expanded Universe. The film instead combines the "Abramsverse" of the Star Trek series of 2009 onward with the Star Wars continuity. Future installments in the Star Trek series will branch off the same continuity, and will not follow a preset schedule or episodic title system.
In Episode VII, set circa 25 ABY, an alien entity travels to the Galaxy Far, Far Away from the Milky Way, and it is up to Luke Skywalker to seek help from its home galaxy to stop it. Spock discovers his latent Force power and Skywalker must help him understand it, as the crews of the Millennium Falcon and the U.S.S. Enterprise work together to stop this threat.
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