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Old May 18 2013, 08:53 PM   #46
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Re: Would you like a bsg style reboot of Star trek?

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Faria, I don't understand your problem with turbo lifts. Do you object to elevators in tall buildings?

And just because a robot looks remarkably human doesn't mean that it necessarily acts all that human. The external appearance is the easy part.
1- my problem with turbolifts is that they go horizontally

2- the photo of the robot I post is of a robot able to imitate human facial expressions
1) And that would be wrong why? Ever been to a large airport?

2) Still a far cry from a Data or a Six.
Heh, I remember that seaQuest had a tram, aka a vertical turbolift, because the submarine was the length of an aircraft carrier. Of course, since it's a submarine, it had no need for an horizontal elevator, just a vertical cab. And of course, the tram was the least of the show's worries. A vertical "turbolift" makes sense.

But considering that Starfleet vessels are usually much taller, wider, and longer than a floating city that is an aircraft carrier (indeed, many times the size of an airport terminal), a turbolift is more than sensible. I would think the only thing that a show would want to fix is, why would a turbolift need to fight gravity to work (see: Disaster).
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Old May 19 2013, 09:12 PM   #47
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Re: Would you like a bsg style reboot of Star trek?

Would you like a bsg style reboot of Star trek?
Isn't that what we have ? A meaner, more modern Trek ?

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Heck no.

I don't think I would enjoy that at all (although NuBSG was not a bad show).

How do you have a United Federation of Planets without aliens?
ùmy idea is to set star trek thousands of years in the feature:

earth colonies many world, then there were wars for the independence of the colonies, a space middle age, with lost of technology and knowledge. The eart will be discriminate for its past of oppression and submit to occupation by one or more of indipendent colonies.

I begin a serie here: the colonie/colonies which occupy earth allow to earth people to explore the space, but gradually, and finally with a long rage exploration ship. It'll be a rebbot of Star trek enterprise.
So... not Star Trek, then ? Haven't we seen all that in other series and franchises ? You don't seem to like Star Trek very much.

And did I just read that you don't like horizontal turbolifts ??
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Old May 19 2013, 09:20 PM   #48
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Re: Would you like a bsg style reboot of Star trek?

I'd like to see some of the good traits of BSG integrated into Trek, sure. But I wouldn't want to see a reboot of Trek that artificially forced it into being a BSG clone. But yeah, I'd love to see the caliber of writing (miniseries - season 3) that BSG had, along with:
1) a slightly more formal military attitude in Trek
2) a wide and varied cast of interesting supporting characters
3) main characters that have a great deal of complexity
4) arching stories
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Old May 19 2013, 09:27 PM   #49
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Old May 19 2013, 09:30 PM   #50
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I'd love a BSG style reboot, but I'd want the polar opposite tone taken. BSG was way too depressing, I like Trek for the universe it is set in, the ideals it talks about etc. I think a mix between DS9 and TNG would be good.
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Old May 19 2013, 10:18 PM   #51
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Re: Would you like a bsg style reboot of Star trek?

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Heck no.

I don't think I would enjoy that at all (although NuBSG was not a bad show).

How do you have a United Federation of Planets without aliens?
ùmy idea is to set star trek thousands of years in the feature:

earth colonies many world, then there were wars for the independence of the colonies, a space middle age, with lost of technology and knowledge. The eart will be discriminate for its past of oppression and submit to occupation by one or more of indipendent colonies.

I begin a serie here: the colonie/colonies which occupy earth allow to earth people to explore the space, but gradually, and finally with a long rage exploration ship. It'll be a rebbot of Star trek enterprise.
Sounds like it could be interesting, but it doesn't sound like Star Trek. Maybe it's a Firefly reboot.
My thoughts exactly. I wouldn't mind seeing a show more Firefly-esque show, maybe even a sequel series set in the same universe, or just something in the same vein.

Given that our space travel hasn't improved much since the lunar landings, relatively speaking, I think realistically, even Enterprise was very optimistic about having the technology they did and ability to travel as far as they did.

If a series like this was based in the 23rd century where FTL travel had just been discovered and only in use for like 20 years, and Earth was just starting to venture out into other solar systems and only a handful of habitable and colonize-able planets have been discovered, that might be more realistic. Maybe some planets could even have ruins of an alien civilization, but they died out millions of years prior, and aren't in the show.

One of the things I liked about both Firefly and Babylon 5, or even the game Colony Wars is the concept of an oppressive Earth government forcing its will on Earth colonies far away, and colonies uniting together to break away from Earth's control, thus paralleling what happened with the US and other nations in the Americas. Could be nice material for some allegories to our daily lives.
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Old May 19 2013, 11:55 PM   #52
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I'd like to see some of the good traits of BSG integrated into Trek, sure. But I wouldn't want to see a reboot of Trek that artificially forced it into being a BSG clone. But yeah, I'd love to see the caliber of writing (miniseries - season 3) that BSG had, along with:
1) a slightly more formal military attitude in Trek
2) a wide and varied cast of interesting supporting characters
3) main characters that have a great deal of complexity
4) arching stories
Yes to all of this plus - more women.

You could certainly set the show during a war but not have the entire series be set around that war. A 5-year mission is definitely more fun.

Personally, I thought Nu BSG missed a trick. A whole season set on Carillon with a modern take on the ovions (and Cassiopeia!) would have been great fun.
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Old May 20 2013, 12:26 AM   #53
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Old May 20 2013, 01:33 AM   #54
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Doesn't sound at all like Trek, though.
I think many of original BSG fan said the same of new BSG; but which one is better?
That really isn't the same thing. Both BSGs are about the last remnants of civilization on the run from the Cylons who are bent on wiping them out. The two shows present this idea in a different way, original was a campy space opera while nu was a dreary soap opera. The presence or lack of aliens or consistent science or whatever is immaterial to the core storyline.

But with Star Trek, you take away aliens and fanciful science and all that stuff and you don't have Star Trek anymore. That's the trick with reboots, stray too far from the source material and you might as well just create something new. And what you're suggesting is straying more from what Star Trek is than nu BSG strayed from the original.
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Old May 20 2013, 03:34 AM   #55
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But considering that Starfleet vessels are usually much taller, wider, and longer than a floating city that is an aircraft carrier (indeed, many times the size of an airport terminal), a turbolift is more than sensible. I would think the only thing that a show would want to fix is, why would a turbolift need to fight gravity to work (see: Disaster).
I'm not even certain if the OP concept allows for artificial gravity, which is certainly "magic" technology. It would be tricky to do a show without it.
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Old May 20 2013, 04:02 AM   #56
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Re: Would you like a bsg style reboot of Star trek?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

I could maybe see this working a reboot of Enterprise, but TOS and TNG are just too far in the future to limit the technology to what we have on BSG. If anything Star Trek has underestimated humanity's technological development more often than it's overestimated it.

If I had to compare BSG Colonial society to us, I'd say they were not more than a couple of decades past us if you take away their FTL and artificial gravity. Hell, I would not be surprised to see something like a Cylon invented in my lifetime. Star Trek is just too far down the road for that.
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Old May 20 2013, 04:13 AM   #57
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ah, i forgot:

- no holodeck, one o f the biggest sping of incoherence of star trek
There's NOTHING wrong with the holodeck (or any other aspect of Star Trek), period.

I respectfully suggest that you not watch Star Trek in the future if you need to have what you've mentioned on your list. Perhaps other kinds of written or visual sci-fi would be more to your liking.
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Old May 20 2013, 04:20 AM   #58
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I'd love to see another TV series like that, but with all those things it wouldn't have any resemblance to Star Trek. So why call it Trek?

At the very least you need aliens and space exploration. You could scale back the convenience of the the technology, make the demeanor more formal. The for it to be Star Trek the root of the show would have to be humanity going out and dealing with aliens. It could bring the idea of humanity constantly improving itself into tighter scrutiny and make the aliens a bit more utilitarian in dealing with Earth, of course.
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Old May 20 2013, 04:27 AM   #59
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The show that the OP describes wouldn't even be recognizable as Star Trek, in contrast to nuBSG being clearly recognizable as BSG.
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Old May 20 2013, 05:41 AM   #60
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For me, the tagline for BSG is "rag-tag fugitive fleet." That's what makes the show. Both interpretations had that.

For Star Trek, it is "strange new worlds, new life, and new civilizations."

I might enjoy the show the OP proposes, but it's not Star Trek, not the way I understand it.
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