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Old May 18 2013, 07:21 PM   #31
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Re: Would you like a bsg style reboot of Star trek?

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1) And that would be wrong why? Ever been to a large airport?

2) Still a far cry from a Data or a Six.
1- orizontal turbolift can have sense in a saucer of 460 m , but with non more than 4-6 "turbostop" for deck.

In a saucer of 126 or 140 metri they are just a waste of space

2- I said Data is plausible
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Old May 18 2013, 07:27 PM   #32
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1) And that would be wrong why? Ever been to a large airport?

2) Still a far cry from a Data or a Six.
1- orizontal turbolift can have sense in a saucer of 460 m , but with non more than 4-6 "turbostop" for deck.

In a saucer of 126 or 140 metri they are just a waste of space

2- I said Data is plausible
1) Why?

2) No, you said possible. Then changed to plausible. Even the plausibility is a bit iffy.
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Old May 18 2013, 07:33 PM   #33
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The turbolift moves both horizontally and vertically. If you've ever been in a building (or pair of connected buildings) where you had to take one elevator, walk down a hall, and then take a second elevator to get to where you were going, the turbolift would be very convenient and simple.
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Old May 18 2013, 07:41 PM   #34
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The turbolift moves both horizontally and vertically. If you've ever been in a building (or pair of connected buildings) where you had to take one elevator, walk down a hall, and then take a second elevator to get to where you were going, the turbolift would be very convenient and simple.
NOo, because they'll be a waste of space and too complex to do

Look this deckplans :

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars...ns-sheet-6.jpg

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Old May 18 2013, 07:43 PM   #35
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Re: Would you like a bsg style reboot of Star trek?

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Faria, I don't understand your problem with turbo lifts. Do you object to elevators in tall buildings?

And just because a robot looks remarkably human doesn't mean that it necessarily acts all that human. The external appearance is the easy part.
1- my problem with turbolifts is that they go horizontally
...and? That's a problem, why?

2- the photo of the robot I post is of a robot able to imitate human facial expressions
Yeah, pre-programmed into an unthinking computerized machine.

AI is decades off, yet.
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Old May 18 2013, 07:46 PM   #36
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Yeah, pre-programmed into an unthinking computerized machine.

AI is decades off, yet.
Yes, but it is plausible
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Old May 18 2013, 07:52 PM   #37
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Not a reboot, but YES, I'd love to see a dystopian Star Trek. Set it in the 25th Century following the supernova that destroys Romulus in the original timeline, and have the Federation fall. A small, ragtag fleet of Federation ships tries to survive...
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Old May 18 2013, 07:53 PM   #38
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Why don't change Data with an autistic/asperger person?
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Old May 18 2013, 07:55 PM   #39
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Doesn't sound at all like Trek, though.
I think many of original BSG fan said the same of new BSG; but which one is better?

original BSG is to me.

NuBSG was good, but much too self-consciously dark and grim to the point of absurdity. I DON'T want a Star Trek reboot deliberately modeled on nuBSG.
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Old May 18 2013, 07:59 PM   #40
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The turbolift moves both horizontally and vertically. If you've ever been in a building (or pair of connected buildings) where you had to take one elevator, walk down a hall, and then take a second elevator to get to where you were going, the turbolift would be very convenient and simple.
NOo, because they'll be a waste of space and too complex to do

Look this deckplans :

Way too big image
Who's deck plans are these? Probably not Starfleets.

And this proves what? Why are they too complex. How is the space being "wasted".
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Yeah, pre-programmed into an unthinking computerized machine.

AI is decades off, yet.
Yes, but it is plausible
Yet somehow more plausible than a turbolift.

Why don't change Data with an autistic/asperger person?
Why?
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Old May 18 2013, 08:11 PM   #41
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No thanks.
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Old May 18 2013, 08:19 PM   #42
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Yeah, pre-programmed into an unthinking computerized machine.

AI is decades off, yet.
Yes, but it is plausible
Yeah, a self-aware computer is more plausible than an elevator moving sideways...
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Old May 18 2013, 08:20 PM   #43
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Yeah, pre-programmed into an unthinking computerized machine.

AI is decades off, yet.
Yes, but it is plausible
Yeah, a self-aware computer is more plausible than an elevator moving sideways...
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Old May 18 2013, 08:35 PM   #44
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I'd like tp see a reboot of star trek like the reboot of BSG:
One of the things that Ron Moore did, and JJ Abrams didn't do, was change around the main characters genders and races, i.e. Boomer went from a Black man to a Asian female. It would have been interesting to have had something like this in Star Trek. All the characters who were White males stayed that way, Uhura remained a Black female, Sulu a Asian male. None of the Humans became Aliens.

Missed opportunity.

-no alien
As others have noted, this would simply not be Star Trek. It would be possible to have a sci-fi series where Humans spread into the galaxy (encountering no Aliens in the process), multiple and divide into factions and alliances, base the show around that. Just not Star Trek, some changes would be possible, but that would be cutting into something really basic.

-no superweapons
Enterprise (imho) should of had guns that shot bullets, and just plain old missiles with explosives (and occasional nukes). The other series at times did go too far with the re-adjusting the servo that opens the Captain's ready room door and turning it into a weapon that saves the day. Through the years, many fans have complained about the "technobabble" solutions to the weekly problem.

-no magic technology (transponder,replicator,universal translator)
The devices you mention have probably though the years been given too much in the ways of magical abilities. The transporter debatably should have remain only a way of getting from place to place. The replicator given limitations beyond stiff power requirements. Also, the 24th centuries medical advances made less miracle-like. The sensors a little slower. The computer less "full" of the exact information our heroes needed.

The Survivors was a better episode because in that case, the computers and sensors didn't tell Picard in a few second who and what Kevin Uxbridge was. In many episodes they would have. Picard had to put the pieces together himself.

-no particle of the week
Janeway and Torres (together): "Warp particles."

-with more internal coherence
There are time when the show could have maintained more cohesion with prior events. One example, after they decided to change Jadzia Dax facial makeup (and make her species honest about carrying a symbiote), would it have been all that hard to change the name of her species? She still could have been carrying a larval Goa'uld, just not be of the Trill species.

-no time travel
I would agree that TPTB have gone to the well too often with this, and time travel should be permanently retired.

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God-like aliens should be Vorlon level not Q level.
This would be a great refinement of the show.

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The eart will be discriminate for its past of oppression and submit to occupation by one or more of indipendent colonies.
So a bit like Andromeda, where Earth is the armpit of the three galaxies?

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Old May 18 2013, 08:37 PM   #45
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It would be possible to have a sci-fi series where Humans spread into the galaxy (encountering no Aliens in the process), multiple and divide into factions and alliances, base the show around that.
That sounds like the Honorverse. Which would indeed make a really cool film or series, although they might have to tweak things a bit (like the fact that every major civilization in that universe has spaceships that look exactly the same).
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