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Old May 29 2013, 07:59 PM   #211
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

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I really liked how they portrayed the Klingons in this film. They looked fearsome and very alien, not like 80's hair band rejects in rubber armour and turtle shells glued to their foreheads.
Hell, these Klingons had gold rings glued to their foreheads.
Ridge piercings. Such a fad.
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Old May 29 2013, 08:00 PM   #212
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

I blame the H'ip-H'op.
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Old May 29 2013, 08:28 PM   #213
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I blame the H'ip-H'op.
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Old May 29 2013, 08:43 PM   #214
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Indian isn't a race, it's a nationality. Using "classical" racial classifications Khan would be a Caucasian and might have spoken an Indo-Aryan language.
Whatever it is technically called, you know as well as I do that the Caucasoid race of northern India and what we refer to when we use the term "Caucasian" or "white" are different races.
No, they are not. The "Caucasian race" covers a territory that includes Southern Asia, Western Asia, North Africa and Europe. (If one was inclined to use the outdated system from the 19th Century)

Try again.
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Old May 29 2013, 08:51 PM   #215
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Old May 29 2013, 11:01 PM   #216
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No, they are not.
Then it's an issue of semantics and you should replace "race" with "subrace" or "geographical subset of race".

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The "Caucasian race" covers a territory that includes Southern Asia, Western Asia, North Africa and Europe.
You're talking about overall "Caucasoids", but as I indicated in my post that's not what I referred to when I used the term "Caucasian"; rather, I used its colloquial meaning - the subset of the Caucasoids which the NLM calls simply "Europeans".
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Old May 30 2013, 09:41 PM   #217
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No, they are not.
Then it's an issue of semantics and you should replace "race" with "subrace" or "geographical subset of race".

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The "Caucasian race" covers a territory that includes Southern Asia, Western Asia, North Africa and Europe.
You're talking about overall "Caucasoids", but as I indicated in my post that's not what I referred to when I used the term "Caucasian"; rather, I used its colloquial meaning - the subset of the Caucasoids which the NLM calls simply "Europeans".
Europeans? Like Ricardo Montalban? Or are the Spanish and the English different races too?
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Old May 31 2013, 03:39 AM   #218
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Are you available for children's parties? Khan is not Spanish.
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Old May 31 2013, 03:43 AM   #219
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We don't know for sure what Khan's background was. We have only McGivers' speculation.
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Old May 31 2013, 03:45 AM   #220
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The name "Singh" is a pretty big hint, I think.
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Old May 31 2013, 03:49 AM   #221
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The name "Singh" is a pretty big hint, I think.
Different day, different producers. I still don't see why this version of the character is a big deal. All I care about is if the actor has the ability to pull it off.

Cumberbatch did.
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Old May 31 2013, 03:53 AM   #222
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Different day, different producers.
Exactly. If it's the 1960s and you need someone to play Khan, you run up against the fact that there are no prominent actors of the right ethnicity. So you cast Ricardo Montalban and you slap some makeup on him. I gather that kind of thing happened somewhat often in the mid-20th century. But nowadays you have different options. I like B.C. as much as the next guy, but he's not the only actor with gravitas out there.
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Different day, different producers.
Exactly. If it's the 1960s and you need someone to play Khan, you run up against the fact that there are no prominent actors of the right ethnicity. So you cast Ricardo Montalban and you slap some makeup on him. I gather that kind of thing happened somewhat often in the mid-20th century. But nowadays you have different options. I like B.C. as much as the next guy, but he's not the only actor with gravitas out there.
And if Khan Noonien Singh was a real historical person, I would tend to agree that ethnicity of the actor playing him matters.

Since Khan is fictional, I'm not concerned.
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Old May 31 2013, 03:58 AM   #224
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But you would have had a problem with, say, a black guy playing Abraham Lincoln?

Good to know.
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Old May 31 2013, 04:05 AM   #225
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Are you available for children's parties? Khan is not Spanish.
You're right. In TOS, he was Mexican.
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