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Old May 22 2013, 11:32 PM   #136
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

They certainly -look- Klingon enough, but they all got gunned down rather easily so it's not like it matters much.
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Old May 22 2013, 11:42 PM   #137
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

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That way J.J. honors continuity but doesn't step in a huge nerd minefield by changing some detail about Khan's age, the wars or his ship. Nobody can lambaste him for screwing up the canon and he can avoid going into messy detail that wasn't that necessary to the plot anyways. It's a win-win.
Plus, it's probably the best way to finesse the whole awkward "Eugenics Wars of the 1990s" thing, which worked in 1967, but which would just have moviegoers scratching their heads today. Best to keep it vague, especially if there's no real need to get bogged down in the continuity of the old series . . . .

Easter eggs are fun. Footnotes just slow down the plot.
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Old May 23 2013, 12:33 AM   #138
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

You may already have answered this in another thread, but did anyone connected to the new film ever contact you or admit to reading your Khan/Eugenics Wars trilogy to do research on the character and period of Earth history he came from? I suppose it's possible that somebody on the crew read your books and didn't contact nor credit you for anything but I was just curious if your Khan novels got any attention from J.J.'s people.
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Old May 23 2013, 12:36 AM   #139
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

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They certainly -look- Klingon enough, but they all got gunned down rather easily so it's not like it matters much.
Then they must be Klingons!
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Old May 23 2013, 12:56 AM   #140
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

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You may already have answered this in another thread, but did anyone connected to the new film ever contact you or admit to reading your Khan/Eugenics Wars trilogy to do research on the character and period of Earth history he came from? I suppose it's possible that somebody on the crew read your books and didn't contact nor credit you for anything but I was just curious if your Khan novels got any attention from J.J.'s people.
Several months ago, one of the screenwriters mentioned in an interview that he'd read my Khan books, which was cool. Not sure why they'd want to contact or credit me with anything, since I hardly invented Khan. Heck, I was only seven years old when Khan first appeared on STAR TREK!

There's nothing to "admit to" here. We're all playing in the same sandbox.
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Old May 23 2013, 01:04 AM   #141
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

I guess by "credit" I meant a phone call or message saying "your Trek novels were an immense help in influencing how we might want to portray the character in our upcoming film. Thanks, Mr. Cox, for helping educate us a little bit." That kind of thing. There was obviously nothing on screen that could be credited to your books, though it would have been cool had Khan himself mentioned he'd been the product of a classified genetic engineering project called Chrysalis that was carried out on the Indian subcontinent.
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Old May 23 2013, 01:13 AM   #142
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

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I guess by "credit" I meant a phone call or message saying "your Trek novels were an immense help in influencing how we might want to portray the character in our upcoming film. Thanks, Mr. Cox, for helping educate us a little bit." That kind of thing. There was obviously nothing on screen that could be credited to your books, though it would have been cool had Khan himself mentioned he'd been the product of a classified genetic engineering project called Chrysalis that was carried out on the Indian subcontinent.
I admit I'm hoping the new movie boosts sales of the old books, but, in general, I'm usually a few steps removed from the actual movie and TV productions. I mostly deal with the publisher and the licensing departments, not the actual filmmakers. I don't expect to hear from the movie people directly.

(Although I did once get a nice letter from one of the UNDERWORLD screenwriters telling me how much he liked my novelization of the movie . . . and they even invited me to the premiere party. That was fun.)
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Old May 23 2013, 02:24 AM   #143
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

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They certainly -look- Klingon enough, but they all got gunned down rather easily so it's not like it matters much.
One of them must be Worf's ancestor, I'm guessing. Showed up, looked super badass, got their asses kicked by the bad guy to show how powerful he is.
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Old May 23 2013, 12:46 PM   #144
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

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You may already have answered this in another thread, but did anyone connected to the new film ever contact you or admit to reading your Khan/Eugenics Wars trilogy to do research on the character and period of Earth history he came from? I suppose it's possible that somebody on the crew read your books and didn't contact nor credit you for anything but I was just curious if your Khan novels got any attention from J.J.'s people.
Several months ago, one of the screenwriters mentioned in an interview that he'd read my Khan books, which was cool. Not sure why they'd want to contact or credit me with anything, since I hardly invented Khan. Heck, I was only seven years old when Khan first appeared on STAR TREK!

There's nothing to "admit to" here. We're all playing in the same sandbox.
In the movie when Spock said that Khan's goals included "the extermination of all those not genetically superior" (or words to that effect) I immediately thought of his plan to exterminate all non-genetically engineered humans with his mother's modified strain of strep-A.

That Into Darkness went to such lengths to remain consistent with the old when it really wasn't necessary that it do so was pretty damn cool.
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Old May 23 2013, 09:54 PM   #145
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

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He looks more like Darth Maul than a Klingon. The head has a cube-like shape, that thing running down the head doesn't resemble a ridge, the whole head looks like it was dunked in BBQ sauce and put on the grill and he doesn't have any hair.
That's right! Klingons have NEVER been bald in Trek before.

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Old May 23 2013, 09:59 PM   #146
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

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In the same ballpark, yes.

I wish that there were some better stills of Klingons from ID online to look at.
Yeah, cause I think you imagine the difference to be more marked than it is.
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Old May 23 2013, 10:00 PM   #147
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

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In the same ballpark, yes.

I wish that there were some better stills of Klingons from ID online to look at.
Yeah, cause I think you imagine the difference to be more marked than it is.
I loved these Klingons, they look menacing.
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Old May 23 2013, 10:04 PM   #148
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like a burned Kryten?

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That's right! Klingons have NEVER been bald in Trek before.

They think that guy doesn't look like a Klingon? Has he not seen the mythical figure Fek'lhr, seen briefly in "Devil's Due(TNG)"? I know he's supposed to be a mythological character in Klingon religious lore and didn't actually exist, but he's supposed to be a Klingon nevertheless.

The STID Klingon might as well be a background warrior from TOS who got little or even no makeup compared to that....thing.
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Old May 23 2013, 10:11 PM   #149
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?


Looks Klingon to me.
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Old May 23 2013, 10:54 PM   #150
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Re: Klingons in STID--why do they look like [SPOILERS]?

The version they went with doesn't suck, but I loved the 2009 design better.



Brow ridge, nose bridge, eyes, the hair, those wrinkles, I liked every bit. Now imagine this guy with forehead ridges. Would've been sweet.
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